It is currently 29 Mar 2024, 00:13

It’s getting closer

Hang up your Chisels and Plane blades and take a load off with a recently turned goblet of your favourite poison, in the lounge of our Gentlemen's (and ladies) Club.

Re: It’s getting closer

Postby 9fingers » 29 May 2020, 14:14

Phil wrote:We move to Level 3 on Monday 1 June.

AND! ...................... Wait for it ................. :text-givemebeer:




We can buy booze! :D :D :D

From a Monday to a Thursday 09:00 to 17:00

My booze dried up nearly 4 weeks ago.


What was the thinking behind cutting off the booze supply Phil? avoiding public unrest? or reducing the number of shopping journeys?
The definition of what was essential in UK was largely left to retailers that were allowed to open so places like super markets that sold booze and fags anyway could continue to do so. Some DIY outlets tried to restrict their inventory to what they considered essentials needed for repairs, security and safety as well as limiting the number of customer allowed in store.
This lead to problems with selling things like hot tubs. Not essential purely for leisure but considered essential for those with autistic children needing distraction during lockdown.

Bob
Information on induction motors here
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1dBTVXx ... sp=sharing
Email:motors@minchin.org.uk
User avatar
9fingers
Petrified Pine
 
Posts: 10038
Joined: 21 Jul 2014, 20:22
Location: Romsey Hampshire between Southampton and the New Forest
Name: Bob

Re: It’s getting closer

Postby Phil » 29 May 2020, 19:28

The booze has a lot to do where the people live in townships in very close proximity to each other.
The corrugated houses have maybe 1 to 1.5 meters between them.
So there will always be the lack of social distancing. Then you have the shebeens (bar & booze sales) in the township which were ‘supposedly’ closed. Stopping the flow of booze should lead to less socialising (theory). Less domestic violence. Less road accidents.

However the black market smuggled and supplied. If you had the contacts then getting booze was not an issue.

The supermarkets, food stores etc. still traded but on essentials only. Toys, cosmetics, appliances were not essential. The booze section was emptied.
They are all busy restocking booze shelves for Monday.

We never had a shortage of meat, veg, bread etc. just have to watch the prices so that they don’t start profiteering.

Cigs were banned and still are. We have a large bunch of small-minded-1 brain cell-idiot-ministers who are trying to flex their non-existent muscles and score political points.
However, if you went to the local filling station, bought some fuel you could also buy cigs at twice the normal price, limited choice. All manufactured or imported illegally.

The effect on the economy is huge. All the excise tax on cigs & booze is a loss in billions, which will probably be recovered from the 4 million tax payers. (that is 4 out of 60)
The job losses resulting from the long level 5 lockdown is measured in 100k

The restaurants can only sell delivery or collect. A lot of small businesses will probably shut down when they are eventually allowed to open.

Our cleaner should be able to work from next week. We have continued to pay her wage for the one day per week she works for us. She has a couple of kids to support. She has a debit card so we do an EFT, lot safer than cash. We are aware of people who took the no-work no-pay route.

The brewer SAB-Miller were going to dump 400m bottles of beer as they could not move stock from the factory to satellite warehouses. The tanks were full and they could not bottle. Eventually after 4 weeks they could move stock. (first question I would have asked - who wanted to be bribed to provide the permits!)

From Monday we can exercise between 06:00 and 18:00 (it was 06:00 to 09:00 - it is winter and flipping cold for old people to do any walking!) Our clubhouse and facilities are still closed (gym and pools) library open 2 mornings per week.

It is masks and sanitizers as far as we go. The mask is a bit of an issue for me as I already have to sleep with one (CPAP machine).

Roll on Monday - some very nice dry white wine will go down well before-with-after dinner. :D :D

Can only drink at own home, not with friends.
We don't stop woodworking because we grow old, we grow old because we stop woodworking!

https://www.instagram.com/phil_pretoria/
User avatar
Phil
Old Oak
 
Posts: 3499
Joined: 23 Jul 2014, 05:11
Location: Southern Africa 0054
Name: Phil

Re: It’s getting closer

Postby 9fingers » 29 May 2020, 19:38

thanks for the insight Phil!

:text-bravo:
Bob
Information on induction motors here
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1dBTVXx ... sp=sharing
Email:motors@minchin.org.uk
User avatar
9fingers
Petrified Pine
 
Posts: 10038
Joined: 21 Jul 2014, 20:22
Location: Romsey Hampshire between Southampton and the New Forest
Name: Bob

Re: It’s getting closer

Postby SamQ aka Ah! Q! » 30 May 2020, 07:28

Seconded. Does us no harm to hear how other nations are - in terms of everyday life, as opposed to rapid 'soundbites' on the media.

Sam
A pragmatist inside a perpetual optimist, heavily influenced by an experienced cynic, wrapped around by an aging relic.
SamQ aka Ah! Q!
Old Oak
 
Posts: 1030
Joined: 21 Jul 2014, 23:06
Location: High above the Aln.
Name: Sam

Re: It’s getting closer

Postby Andyp » 30 May 2020, 07:53

Indeed. there is not a government in the world who have not come under criticism from their own populations.
I do not think therefore I do not am.

cheers
Andy
User avatar
Andyp
Petrified Pine
 
Posts: 11718
Joined: 22 Jul 2014, 07:05
Location: 14860 Normandy, France
Name: Andy

Re: It’s getting closer

Postby Malc2098 » 30 May 2020, 09:10

I'll raise a glass with you on Monday, Phil.

:obscene-drinkingcheers:
Malcolm
User avatar
Malc2098
Sequoia
 
Posts: 7209
Joined: 03 Jul 2016, 11:10
Location: Tiverton
Name: Malcolm

Re: It’s getting closer

Postby Phil » 31 May 2020, 16:34

Malc2098 wrote:I'll raise a glass with you on Monday, Phil.

:obscene-drinkingcheers:




Thanks Malc, I will drink to your good health!

Will be at the shop 09:00 sharp
Going to buy a 5 lit dry white in a box. Largest beer mug full of ice, top up with wine, settle down in my comfy chair and watch some very old movies.
8-) 8-) 8-)

39 Steps (1935)
And then there were none (1945?)
A Night to Remember (1958)
When Eight Bells Toll (1971 starring Anthony Hopkins)
Fantasia (1940)

And if I am still awake, then it will be ..........
El Cid (1961) with Sophia Loren. She could have parked her shoes under my bed any day :D :D :D
We don't stop woodworking because we grow old, we grow old because we stop woodworking!

https://www.instagram.com/phil_pretoria/
User avatar
Phil
Old Oak
 
Posts: 3499
Joined: 23 Jul 2014, 05:11
Location: Southern Africa 0054
Name: Phil

Re: It’s getting closer

Postby Malc2098 » 31 May 2020, 16:43

What?! And then run round with the hoover?! :lol:
Malcolm
User avatar
Malc2098
Sequoia
 
Posts: 7209
Joined: 03 Jul 2016, 11:10
Location: Tiverton
Name: Malcolm

Re: It’s getting closer

Postby RogerS » 07 Jun 2020, 06:46

Wonder how Phil's hangovers are ? ;)

I'm interested to see what tomorrow brings. Friday, our DPD driver Paul was coughing a lot and looked very hot. Hope he's OK ...mind you, could be exhaustion as his days are getting loner and longer due to the number of deliveries.
If opportunity doesn't knock, build a door.
User avatar
RogerS
Petrified Pine
 
Posts: 13291
Joined: 21 Jul 2014, 21:07
Location: Nearly finished. OK OK...call me Pinocchio.
Name:

Re: It’s getting closer

Postby Andyp » 07 Jun 2020, 07:18

I see that from the 15th June public transport will require a mask to be worn. If it is a good idea to wear one on the 15th why not now? Why the wait? Will mask really be more available in a weeks time than they are now?
I do not think therefore I do not am.

cheers
Andy
User avatar
Andyp
Petrified Pine
 
Posts: 11718
Joined: 22 Jul 2014, 07:05
Location: 14860 Normandy, France
Name: Andy

Re: It’s getting closer

Postby MY63 » 07 Jun 2020, 08:12

Andyp wrote:I see that from the 15th June public transport will require a mask to be worn. If it is a good idea to wear one on the 15th why not now? Why the wait? Will mask really be more available in a weeks time than they are now?


Masks are interesting,
Surgical masks come in two types called Type II and Type II R both are 3 layers and the R is resistant to water.
The life of these masks is 20 minutes. You have to take care when removing them as anything you have come into contact with will be sitting on the front.
These masks were designed to protect the patient from the surgeon not to protect the wearer, there are gaps at the sides and below the chin.
The filter layer which is called meltblown (6 tons have just arrived from Saudi) which is like gold at the moment will filter virus particles at 98% down to 0.3 microns.
The next option is FFP3 which is a respirator mask which also filters to a similar level I don't have the exact numbers as I was working on Type II R masks. FFP3 masks need to be fitted and tested to ensure there is a seal.
The same care must be taken when removing the mask, everything you have come into contact with is on the front of the mask, If you take it off handle it and put it back on you may well have transferred the particles from the front to the inside. This makes wearing it pointless.

Face coverings are just that, They will also collect particles I am sure you can work this out for your self.

I am not trying to frighten anyone but you need to be aware I have lost my mum to this virus and would not want anyone here to go through that.
MY63
Old Oak
 
Posts: 1248
Joined: 17 Oct 2018, 20:41
Location: North East England
Name: Michael

Re: It’s getting closer

Postby RogerS » 07 Jun 2020, 08:33

Andyp wrote:I see that from the 15th June public transport will require a mask to be worn. If it is a good idea to wear one on the 15th why not now? Why the wait? Will mask really be more available in a weeks time than they are now?


It's not the type of mask that you're thinking about that we are supposed to wear. Any sort of face-covering is acceptable. The objective is to stop anyone who HAS Covid coughing and sputtering the virus out into the open air and onto surfaces. These face coverings are NOT intended to stop anyone free from Covid actually breathing in the virus. I can see where they are coming from.

They are trying to reserve the proper FPP3 masks for NHS staff on the frontline.

And let's face it....given the recent behaviour by the sheer, rank stupidity of vast swathes of the knuckle-dragging cretins in this country, they are going to need those PPE masks. Last week, for example, R in Blackpool was 1.6. Sunny weather...out they were for a stroll on the promenade and the beach. Social-distancing ? That's sending a letter, isn't it ?
If opportunity doesn't knock, build a door.
User avatar
RogerS
Petrified Pine
 
Posts: 13291
Joined: 21 Jul 2014, 21:07
Location: Nearly finished. OK OK...call me Pinocchio.
Name:

Re: It’s getting closer

Postby Malc2098 » 07 Jun 2020, 09:09

Michael, sorry to hear that. Thoughts are with you and your family.
Malcolm
User avatar
Malc2098
Sequoia
 
Posts: 7209
Joined: 03 Jul 2016, 11:10
Location: Tiverton
Name: Malcolm

Re: It’s getting closer

Postby Andyp » 07 Jun 2020, 10:31

RogerS wrote:
Andyp wrote:I see that from the 15th June public transport will require a mask to be worn. If it is a good idea to wear one on the 15th why not now? Why the wait? Will mask really be more available in a weeks time than they are now?


It's not the type of mask that you're thinking about that we are supposed to wear. Any sort of face-covering is acceptable. The objective is to stop anyone who HAS Covid coughing and sputtering the virus out into the open air and onto surfaces. These face coverings are NOT intended to stop anyone free from Covid actually breathing in the virus. I can see where they are coming from.

They are trying to reserve the proper FPP3 masks for NHS staff on the frontline.

And let's face it....given the recent behaviour by the sheer, rank stupidity of vast swathes of the knuckle-dragging cretins in this country, they are going to need those PPE masks. Last week, for example, R in Blackpool was 1.6. Sunny weather...out they were for a stroll on the promenade and the beach. Social-distancing ? That's sending a letter, isn't it ?


Exactly my point Roger, if any sort of face covering will do then why wait until next week?
I do not think therefore I do not am.

cheers
Andy
User avatar
Andyp
Petrified Pine
 
Posts: 11718
Joined: 22 Jul 2014, 07:05
Location: 14860 Normandy, France
Name: Andy

Re: It’s getting closer

Postby 9fingers » 07 Jun 2020, 10:35

The authorities have to give some notice before manadating the wearing of masks. They have not been free issued as I believe they have in France

I don't have a mask currently as there has been no formal need to wear one.

Bob
Information on induction motors here
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1dBTVXx ... sp=sharing
Email:motors@minchin.org.uk
User avatar
9fingers
Petrified Pine
 
Posts: 10038
Joined: 21 Jul 2014, 20:22
Location: Romsey Hampshire between Southampton and the New Forest
Name: Bob

Re: It’s getting closer

Postby RogerS » 07 Jun 2020, 11:25

9fingers wrote:The authorities have to give some notice before manadating the wearing of masks. They have not been free issued as I believe they have in France

I don't have a mask currently as there has been no formal need to wear one.

Bob


A scarf is sufficient to meet the requirements ie you have Covid (but possibly don't know it otherwise you'd be self-isolating!) and it stops you coughing the virus out everywhere.
If opportunity doesn't knock, build a door.
User avatar
RogerS
Petrified Pine
 
Posts: 13291
Joined: 21 Jul 2014, 21:07
Location: Nearly finished. OK OK...call me Pinocchio.
Name:

Re: It’s getting closer

Postby RogerS » 07 Jun 2020, 11:31

Andyp wrote:
RogerS wrote:
Andyp wrote:I see that from the 15th June public transport will require a mask to be worn. If it is a good idea to wear one on the 15th why not now? Why the wait? Will mask really be more available in a weeks time than they are now?


It's not the type of mask that you're thinking about that we are supposed to wear. Any sort of face-covering is acceptable. The objective is to stop anyone who HAS Covid coughing and sputtering the virus out into the open air and onto surfaces. These face coverings are NOT intended to stop anyone free from Covid actually breathing in the virus. I can see where they are coming from.

They are trying to reserve the proper FPP3 masks for NHS staff on the frontline.

And let's face it....given the recent behaviour by the sheer, rank stupidity of vast swathes of the knuckle-dragging cretins in this country, they are going to need those PPE masks. Last week, for example, R in Blackpool was 1.6. Sunny weather...out they were for a stroll on the promenade and the beach. Social-distancing ? That's sending a letter, isn't it ?


Exactly my point Roger, if any sort of face covering will do then why wait until next week?


I see where you are coming from. The error in your thinking is that the Government and PHE (partcularly PHE - Pathetically Hopeless Empire) actually know what they are doing. I think all Governments of whatever hue are incompetent and never ask 'What if'. Hence Rogers' Law of Unintended Consequences. This Test, Track nonsense has succeeded in closing one hospital department

From the Telegraph ..

A hospital department was forced to suspend services after a doctor and nine immediate colleagues were told to isolate following a call from newly-recruited Covid-19 contact tracers.

The case has prompted calls from the Royal College of Physicians (RCP) for clinicians to be allowed to take a "pragmatic" approach to the new NHS test and trace system.

Donal O'Donoghue, registrar of the RCP and a consultant renal physician at Salford Royal Hospital, said a doctor had messaged him to say a department had been forced shut because 10 clinicians had been contacted.

He said strict adherence to the test and trace regime relaunched nationally last week was a real risk for the NHS: "If we just apply the rules, within that healthcare environment, then you take so many people out, it becomes really difficult to provide the service."

Mr O'Donoghue suggested more needed to be done to protect healthcare workers as social distancing and the use of PPE is often impossible away from the Covid wards.

Other senior doctors, who did not want to be named, have raised repeated concerns that there are not sufficient safeguards in canteens and break rooms.

Weston-super-Mare was forced to shut to new admission after 100 staff were shown to be infected and many experts believe testing in hospital should become weekly.

The Covid policy that applies to the rest of the population should be replaced by a "pragmatic" one for clinical staff, Mr Mr O'Donoghue argued.

"It’s an infection protection and control issue in a hospital environment, basically," he added.
If opportunity doesn't knock, build a door.
User avatar
RogerS
Petrified Pine
 
Posts: 13291
Joined: 21 Jul 2014, 21:07
Location: Nearly finished. OK OK...call me Pinocchio.
Name:

Re: It’s getting closer

Postby Rod » 07 Jun 2020, 12:23

I’ve just recently been discharged after 4 weeks in hospital where all the staff wear face masks and patients only when outside their ward. No visitors allowed at all - any thing required by the patient had to be left at the front door to be collected by a Care Worker.
On arrival we were segregated in A&E into Green and Red Zones depending on symptoms.
Greens were taken to a holding ward and tested for covid. If clear then taking to a proper ward.
We were tested for covid every 7 days. Not a pleasant experience especially the nasal swab.

Rod
User avatar
Rod
Old Oak
 
Posts: 4471
Joined: 21 Jul 2014, 21:34
Location: Winchester, Hampshire
Name:

Re: It’s getting closer

Postby Malc2098 » 07 Jun 2020, 13:09

I'm pleased you're home.
Malcolm
User avatar
Malc2098
Sequoia
 
Posts: 7209
Joined: 03 Jul 2016, 11:10
Location: Tiverton
Name: Malcolm

Re: It’s getting closer

Postby RogerS » 07 Jun 2020, 13:10

Wow, Rod....that was a long time. Glad you're back and hopefully staying back !
If opportunity doesn't knock, build a door.
User avatar
RogerS
Petrified Pine
 
Posts: 13291
Joined: 21 Jul 2014, 21:07
Location: Nearly finished. OK OK...call me Pinocchio.
Name:

Re: It’s getting closer

Postby SamQ aka Ah! Q! » 07 Jun 2020, 14:29

Masks are interesting...
....I have lost my mum to this virus and would not want anyone here to go through that.


Michael, the impacts of your post - both in illuminating mask isues and your personal family grief - got a bit lost in the subsequent fulminating.

I, and am sure, others with a vulnerable family member, appreciate the clarity of your explanation. Just like Malcolm, you and your family are also in our thoughts and the especial irony of your magnificent effort to help the local NHS is not lost on us. Take care Michael.

Sam
A pragmatist inside a perpetual optimist, heavily influenced by an experienced cynic, wrapped around by an aging relic.
SamQ aka Ah! Q!
Old Oak
 
Posts: 1030
Joined: 21 Jul 2014, 23:06
Location: High above the Aln.
Name: Sam

Re: It’s getting closer

Postby MY63 » 07 Jun 2020, 18:04

Thanks Sam
My work with the NHS means I have lived masks for the last 6 weeks I cant share much but we have bought lots but still need more. A member of staff working a 12 shift should use at least 36 masks per day.

The point I was trying to get across is that a face covering is not a mask but it will collect every particle of bacteria or virus especially as it becomes damp in use. People will then fold it and put it in their pocket and then bring it out and put it back on.
The whole idea of washing your hands frequently is to wash any particles off so when you do touch your face at least your hands are clean.
If you are going somewhere and you think I should wear my face covering my advice would be DON'T GO
MY63
Old Oak
 
Posts: 1248
Joined: 17 Oct 2018, 20:41
Location: North East England
Name: Michael

Re: It’s getting closer

Postby RogerS » 08 Jun 2020, 12:26

MY63 wrote:....
If you are going somewhere and you think I should wear my face covering my advice would be DON'T GO


:text-+1:

Finally managed to get a link from Waitrose to fill in their Priority Slot form...two months on from initially asking for clarification.

Re 'fulminating'...what prompted this was the events of a fortnight ago. We have a Triple SSI site (now a trashed Triple SSI site) near us called Crammell Linn. Parking for 3 cars. Some **** must have posted up on some bloody anti-social media site about the place because that weekend it was inundated with over 100 cars. Driving through the village at high speed, yelling abuse at people in their garden. Drugs. Bouncy toys. Litter. About 70 used (and left) portable BBQ's. Scum.

The police put a load of cones along the road Saturday night. Sunday morning, they'd been slung into the ditch. So 120 £50 Fixed Penalty Notices were issued to all the cars parked there. One would like to think that they get followed up when they don't pay. They ought to have fined a few for breaking lockdown but they didn't. Even made the local news...here's a link but not sure if you need a Faecebook account to view it.
https://www.facebook.com/maxinthelakes/ ... 526152575/

Grrr.
If opportunity doesn't knock, build a door.
User avatar
RogerS
Petrified Pine
 
Posts: 13291
Joined: 21 Jul 2014, 21:07
Location: Nearly finished. OK OK...call me Pinocchio.
Name:

Re: It’s getting closer

Postby Rod » 08 Jun 2020, 13:02

That’s a great shame

Rod
User avatar
Rod
Old Oak
 
Posts: 4471
Joined: 21 Jul 2014, 21:34
Location: Winchester, Hampshire
Name:

Re: It’s getting closer

Postby Andyp » 08 Jun 2020, 14:28

And the authorities are happy to allow people to use their common sense. I hate that phase, there is nothing common about sense and never will be.
I do not think therefore I do not am.

cheers
Andy
User avatar
Andyp
Petrified Pine
 
Posts: 11718
Joined: 22 Jul 2014, 07:05
Location: 14860 Normandy, France
Name: Andy

PreviousNext

Return to The Woodmangler's Retreat

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 14 guests