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Woodster wrote:It’s not looking good for the drivers of Diesels though.
https://www.buyacar.co.uk/cars/diesel-c ... uk-drivers
AJB Temple wrote:No. The future is auto drive with no driver intervention. Speeds and proximity controlled. Cars can be called pods from some nearby call up pool, or shared. Rented as needed as cars are idle 90% of the time.
RogerS wrote:AJB Temple wrote:No. The future is auto drive with no driver intervention. Speeds and proximity controlled. Cars can be called pods from some nearby call up pool, or shared. Rented as needed as cars are idle 90% of the time.
Thank God I'll be dead, is all I can say. Nanny State.
TrimTheKing wrote:
One of the challenges with electric uptake will be, IMO, that unless the government(s) mandate that all oil based fuel cars are scrapped then people will continue to run them until they die.
Woodster wrote:TrimTheKing wrote:
One of the challenges with electric uptake will be, IMO, that unless the government(s) mandate that all oil based fuel cars are scrapped then people will continue to run them until they die.
The Government currently plan to ban ICE cars from our roads in 2050 but as the ban on the sales of new ICE cars has been brought forward first five years earlier and then ten who knows. People won’t be able to “run them until they die” as you say because they’ll be priced off the road. If the rich did want to continue then yes in theory they could, until the ban. Would anyone with any sense want to though? As we’ve seen in other posts the overall cost of ownership of a Diesel is already higher than an EV now. And that’s without all the extra charges on the way for driving them in town centres.
Woodster wrote:.... As we’ve seen in other posts the overall cost of ownership of a Diesel is already higher than an EV now. ..
flying haggis wrote:why should the government help to pay for charging points?? they havent paid for filling stations to be built
flying haggis wrote:"" if you do drive 400 miles without a break then you are breaking the law however you do it regarding time driving in one continuous block or by speed""
so how come truck drivers are allowed, and do , to drive for 4 and a half hours without a break
care to explain! and who said anything about driving for 400 miles without a break except you
flying haggis wrote:max speed 90k or 56 mph by the way.
flying haggis wrote:I would hate to have to drive an electric car and always have to worry about where the next (working) charger might be
flying haggis wrote:pure electric might be ok in town but for real life use a hybrid is a much more sensible proposition.
flying haggis wrote:and the current price of new electric cars is out of reach for most people. I have never bought a new car as I prefer to let someone else take all the depreciation but the cost of new batteries at 5 or 7 years will also put off people buying secondhand EVs
flying haggis wrote:when the biggest polluters ie china and india do the same them perhaps it might be a good thing but little old britain changing wont do much
Trevanion wrote:flying haggis wrote:max speed 90k or 56 mph by the way.
In Britain, HGVs are restricted to 60mph, on the continent, it is 90km/56mph.
wrong. all hgvs in britian and the eu are limited to 56 mphflying haggis wrote:I would hate to have to drive an electric car and always have to worry about where the next (working) charger might be
In your boot? You can still plug into anywhere with power (that's willing) you like, it just won't be cheap nor quick. You can't say the same for an ICE car, if you run out of fuel twenty miles from the nearest fuel station you're dead out of luck, at least there's usually a house within every square mile of road that you're driving on with power facilities.
in the countryside or the highlands of scotland i dont think soflying haggis wrote:pure electric might be ok in town but for real life use a hybrid is a much more sensible proposition.
Hybrids are actually the worst of both worlds, you've got the heavy batteries weighing down the engine and you've got the heavy engine weighing down the batteries. Be one or the other.
i will go for sticking with a nice reliable diesel thenflying haggis wrote:and the current price of new electric cars is out of reach for most people. I have never bought a new car as I prefer to let someone else take all the depreciation but the cost of new batteries at 5 or 7 years will also put off people buying secondhand EVs
I can't really argue with that, but the price will only ever get lower the more people buy EVs. Even now there are some lower-end EVs like the Nissan Leaf that is only a little more expensive to pick up second-hand compared to an ICE vehicle of the same age.
who wants a nissan leaf (even new?)flying haggis wrote:when the biggest polluters ie china and india do the same them perhaps it might be a good thing but little old britain changing wont do much
I hate this attitude of "Why should we bother because X does this and that and we're better than them...", if you don't lead an example to the rest of the world, will anything ever get done about it? Also, don't forget the USA too, they're twice as bad as India for pollution.
It's best to keep an open mind!
9fingers wrote:Todate my car buying model has been to buy at 1-2 years old ex lease cars and sell between 15 and 20 years old when reliabilty is in the bottom section of the bath tub curve.
I'm 6 years into my current car an Octy 3 so would normally be next buying in say 10 years or so when the ban might be inforce.
Mind you I'll be 77 then so possibly buying my last car and could splash out on my first ever new car?
I've always run medium to large estates since my first 4 wheeler morris 1000 traveller and about the only similar EV on the market now seems to be an MG5 estate at £25k - way more than I've ever spent on a car.
Bob
RogerM wrote:
In the meantime, why is there only 5% VAT on coal, but 20% on solar panels?
An outdated trope by at least 5 years. There are nearly8380 fuel stations in the UK with an average of 8 pumps and 9300 charging stations in the UK With 12 or more sockets and in an emergency there are 700 million plug sockets.flying haggis wrote: I would hate to have to drive an electric car and always have to worry about where the next (working) charger might be. pure electric might be ok in town but for real life use a hybrid is a much more sensible proposition.
On average cars sold between 2008 and 2012 have over 85% of their initial capacity. You are changing not for the green brigade but to give your grand children a chance, personally I don't care as I never will.flying haggis wrote: the cost of new batteries at 5 or 7 years will also put off people buying secondhand EVs i can see the use for electric vehicles but not the fact that we will have to change to satisfy the green brigade
Shenzhen city population 12.5 million has 16000 ev buses and 22000 ev taxis and they changed them out from diesels all on the same day, imagine that. Most other Chinese cities are following close behind. China builds more renewable power generation a month than we do in a year. India is fast approaching the same.flying haggis wrote: when the biggest polluters ie china and india do the same them perhaps it might be a good thing but little old britain changing wont do much
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