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Re: Small workshop

Postby Woodbloke » 24 Jun 2019, 14:56

Those are the 'Cool Blocks' on the bandsaw as I mentioned and can be easily replaced with Lignum Vitae. The Euro 205 bs that Andy P bought off me a few years ago should still have the Lignum blocks in it that I fitted when I first bought the machine - Rob
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Re: Small workshop " workbench help needed"

Postby MY63 » 24 Jun 2019, 20:18

9fingers wrote:
MY63 wrote:I am currently making a set of legs for my first work bench.

I think you had this problem before. Keep the mortise well away from the end of the legs.
Maybe the promised photos will give more of a clue?

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Yes Bob you are correct I did have a similar issue with the doors where I was making mortises across the face wood rather than vertically. I had assumed these would be ok 15mm down from the edge..
Sorry about the lack of photos Flickr stoped responding and I cannot upload anything maybe tomorrow.
Is it possible that I am trying to make the m&t joints too tight?
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Re: Small workshop

Postby MY63 » 24 Jun 2019, 20:22



Those are indeed the sort of thing I need Malcolm as I don’t have a lot of space I was hoping to find them in a pair where the front and rear worked off the front or all four working from one pedal.
Although thinking out loud as it were if I am going to pull it out to use it then it can stay on the wheels when in it’s stored position.
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Re: Small workshop

Postby Andyp » 24 Jun 2019, 20:40

Woodbloke wrote:Those are the 'Cool Blocks' on the bandsaw as I mentioned and can be easily replaced with Lignum Vitae. The Euro 205 bs that Andy P bought off me a few years ago should still have the Lignum blocks in it that I fitted when I first bought the machine - Rob


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Re: Small workshop " workbench help needed"

Postby 9fingers » 24 Jun 2019, 20:44

MY63 wrote:
9fingers wrote:
MY63 wrote:I am currently making a set of legs for my first work bench.

I think you had this problem before. Keep the mortise well away from the end of the legs.
Maybe the promised photos will give more of a clue?

Bob


Yes Bob you are correct I did have a similar issue with the doors where I was making mortises across the face wood rather than vertically. I had assumed these would be ok 15mm down from the edge..
Sorry about the lack of photos Flickr stoped responding and I cannot upload anything maybe tomorrow.
Is it possible that I am trying to make the m&t joints too tight?



Working in softwood, I would not make mortices so close to an end but maybe they are too tight. You should be able to fit T into M without tools but not so loose as it can wobble. Too tight and there will be no room for glue.
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Re: Small workshop

Postby MY63 » 24 Jun 2019, 20:59

Hi Bob so tapping together with a hammer is a no go then.
Simple mistake easily fixed.
Rather than have 15mm from the top and bottom can I have 30mm from the top and 0 at the bottom.
Is it acceptable to fill the current mortises with wood and glue and turn the legs upside down and start over.
I can reuse the tenons on their rails as the lower stretchers
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Re: Small workshop

Postby 9fingers » 24 Jun 2019, 21:12

MY63 wrote:Hi Bob so tapping together with a hammer is a no go then.
Simple mistake easily fixed.
Rather than have 15mm from the top and bottom can I have 30mm from the top and 0 at the bottom.
Is it acceptable to fill the current mortises with wood and glue and turn the legs upside down and start over.
I can reuse the tenons on their rails as the lower stretchers



Not in softwood. You could go for more of a honeymoon fit in seasoned oak but you will only wipe off all the glue when you fit them.
Yes flipping legs top for bottom will be fine.
As a niecety it is always good to have a little bit of a shoulder on the tenon to hide any scars on the edges of the mortice. So 2mm at the bottom and 28 at the top.

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Re: Small workshop

Postby MY63 » 25 Jun 2019, 07:37

Thanks Bob my plan has always been to enclose the sides and back in plywood with storage for my mitre saw below so the joints will never be seen. I will follow your advice and 28 and 2 it will be.

I think I am going to need a couple of long clamps around 1.2m as this bench is 1100mm has anyone got any recommendations in the budget section please.
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Re: Small workshop

Postby 9fingers » 25 Jun 2019, 09:15

MY63 wrote:Thanks Bob my plan has always been to enclose the sides and back in plywood with storage for my mitre saw below so the joints will never be seen. I will follow your advice and 28 and 2 it will be.

I think I am going to need a couple of long clamps around 1.2m as this bench is 1100mm has anyone got any recommendations in the budget section please.


You could look at clamp ends which you fit to lengths of wood for a lost cost versatile solution.
I quite like pipe clamps using glavanised water pipe. Some need the pipe threading on the fixed end which needs plumbers tools to do, others have a sprung gripping mechanism at both ends.
Bessey clamps are the mutts nuts with prices to suit but rutlands do own brand Dakota knock offs which get reasonable reviews for diy/lght trade use.
Traditional record T bar clamps are very good but pricy - avoid second hand as they are often abused or have pins missing
I'd avoid any based on aluminium tube/box section.
For your bench and other open frame work, what could be cheaper than a tournique with rope?

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Re: Small workshop

Postby MY63 » 20 Jul 2019, 19:27

Thanks Bob I went with the Axminster clamps in the end I bought two 54 in and two 42 in to start with.

I got the lights last week my brother returns from holiday next week and he is comming to help me with the sockets. Which along with the work benches are the final tasks. Oh except shelving and drawers decking and everything else. Some sort of extraction unit powered by the Lidl Vac

I have a lot of leatherwork and other things going on at the moment so have not had any spare time to finish things off.
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Re: Small workshop " workbench help needed"

Postby Woodbloke » 20 Jul 2019, 20:12

9fingers wrote: Too tight and there will be no room for glue.
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Going slightly 'off piste', if the joint is a little tight you can, though I've never done it, use the slightly domed end of a Japanese Geno hammer to lightly squish the tenon to compress the fibres. It will then hopefully slide into said mortice and as soon as the glue hits it, the fibres will then expand again to give you a super tight join. In theory :eusa-pray: -Rob
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Re: Small workshop

Postby MY63 » 20 Jul 2019, 22:21

Thanks Rob I think my issue with the M & T joints was me making them too tight and splitting the wood when I brought them together plus the usual mistake of putting mortices at the end of a piece of timber.

In future I am going to make the a little looser and either use wedges or expanding glue or both.
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Re: Small workshop

Postby MY63 » 03 Aug 2019, 22:09

Finally I am making some progress.
My brother has wired all of the sockets connected both ends of the cable to the house and workshop under instruction I have fitted the lights and only dropped one :eusa-whistle:
I will take some pictures tomorrow.

Meanwhile I have finally found some time to make the replacement guides for my bandsaw.

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Re: Small workshop

Postby Andyp » 04 Aug 2019, 07:39

Well done. They should last for ages. Are they pushed up a bit closer to the teeth than is shown on the first photo?
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Re: Small workshop

Postby TrimTheKing » 04 Aug 2019, 10:15

Andyp wrote:Well done. They should last for ages. Are they pushed up a bit closer to the teeth than is shown on the first photo?


Yep ideally they should be just behind the gullets of the teeth to support the blade as far forwards as possible.
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Re: Small workshop

Postby Malc2098 » 04 Aug 2019, 10:18

Coming along.
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Re: Small workshop

Postby MY63 » 04 Aug 2019, 13:14

Thanks guys I had backed them off to help getting the brass ones out. If gullet is the term for the bottom of the valley between the teeth then yes that is where I have positioned them.
These LED panel have screws holding the back panel in place so I bought some small metal plates 75mm x 12mm x 3mm which I planned to attach using the screws on the back.
When that failed I realised there was a groove all around the edge of the frame that the plates fit into so I put the plates in a screwed them to the ceiling.

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I really do not like this so my next plan is to cut some wood and make a groove to take the edge and start over.
Sockets look great all 17 of them.

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The breaker is not fitted at the other end so nothing works yet but we are getting there.
It is amazing that the giant black bee hive is super cool in the hot weather as long as you remember to close the doors.
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Re: Small workshop

Postby TrimTheKing » 04 Aug 2019, 13:34

Looking good Michael.

I know what you mean about the shop being cool. I think the insulation makes a massive difference because even on the hottest day we had a week or so back, it was unbearable outside but even with the velux in the roof of the shop, the temp was many degrees cooler than outside and easily comfortable to work in. Same in Winter, freezing outside but a good 4-6 degrees higher in the shop even without heating on.
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Re: Small workshop

Postby Malc2098 » 04 Aug 2019, 14:29

Love that trunking. Gonna nick that idea. :D
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Re: Small workshop

Postby MY63 » 04 Aug 2019, 20:48

Malc2098 wrote:Love that trunking. Gonna nick that idea. :D


Feel free Malcolm I nicked it from someone else :D
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Re: Small workshop

Postby MY63 » 14 Aug 2019, 12:17

Electrics

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I am pleased to say the electrics are now finished.
The decking out in front of the workshop round the rear of the house has been moved up the priority list the stone for part 2 of the new paths has also arrived all 1800 kg on 2 pallets.
As the edge of the decking forms the edge of the path they need to be done together.
It has been suggested that the join in the decks should be mitred where they meet I wanted a nice simple 90 degree corner. where one deck would go the full width and the other would butt up to it.
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Re: Small workshop

Postby Malc2098 » 14 Aug 2019, 13:35

Looking really good, Michael. I can see the work flying out of there now!!


How about a lapped corner for the deck? I think that there will be less movement gap noticeable than with a mitre or a butt as the boards shrink.
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Re: Small workshop

Postby MY63 » 14 Aug 2019, 15:13

Thanks Malcolm as usual my explanation was not up to the job, The deck extends along the back of the house.
Currently there is a decked area 3.2m out from the back of the house running for 3.6m I am going to add 5.3 m to go right across the width then add a 90 degree corner to go up to the workshop this leg will be 7m long and 3.1m wide.

Please excuse the poor drawing with the dodgy planks

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Re: Small workshop

Postby Malc2098 » 14 Aug 2019, 19:03

I'd be inclined to do an alternate lap across that corner.
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