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Re: Small workshop

Postby MY63 » 14 Aug 2019, 21:52

Malc2098 wrote:I'd be inclined to do an alternate lap across that corner.


Malcolm I am not sure I understand what exactly that means.
I think the mitre would look good but working out the lengths of decking required has made my head hurt. :)
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Re: Small workshop

Postby TrimTheKing » 14 Aug 2019, 22:00

I think Malc means instead of cutting a diagonal mitre, to alternate which board is long and which is short to butt up to each other, to create the look of a staggered mitre without the need for any diagonal cuts.

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Re: Small workshop

Postby Malc2098 » 14 Aug 2019, 22:06

Ha! Mark beat me to it!
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Re: Small workshop

Postby MY63 » 15 Aug 2019, 11:01

Oh no that looks even more complex than the mitres.
I just don't seem to be able to get my head around this.
I would like the joints to be lined up nice and straight rather than staggered I think I may have to just build it as two separate decks with an ugly butt joint.
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Re: Small workshop

Postby 9fingers » 15 Aug 2019, 13:08

If it helps your calculations, for a 90 degree mitre, the length of each board changes by one width compared to its neighbour.

This applies to both boards meeting at a mitre. If a board has a mitre join at both ends, then the length "grows" by two widths compared to the previous one.

Might be easier if you think of the two boards meeting at a lap joint for the purposes of working out the lengths and then the mitre is simply fomed by cutting both at 45 degrees.

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Re: Small workshop

Postby bluebirdnick » 15 Aug 2019, 13:36

I may be missing something or it may have been discussed already, but don't you need PP for decking that is more than 30cm above ground level?
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Re: Small workshop

Postby MY63 » 15 Aug 2019, 13:50

Thanks Bob the more I think about it the better the overlapping joints recommended by Malcolm and Mark earlier. And yes your width idea helps a lot.

Don't work about it Nick this decking is less than 300mm from the ground.

Thanks for the help guys I think if I batch the sections of deck by the standard sizes I can work it out with the least waste.
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Re: Small workshop

Postby will1983 » 15 Aug 2019, 16:40

If you go down the mitred route I would cut each board slightly long, chop the mitre on one end and then offer it up to mark the square cut off at the other end.

Alternatively leave them all long at the square end and then once you've finished all the boarding cut them all off together with the track saw. That way you can guarantee a consistently straight line.

Thinking about it now I think I would put all the boards down on one side slightly over your miter line and cut that with the track saw to. that way your mitre joint line will be straight right across the deck too.

The staggered butt joint would be easier mind, just work across the deck alternating your boards left and right, use a spacer between the end of your board and the side of the previous one to ensure consistent spacing..

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second row: right board, left board
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fourth row: as per second
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Re: Small workshop

Postby MY63 » 15 Aug 2019, 17:46

Thanks Will
The track saw was my plan for the mitre.
The current part of the deck which I replaced 6 months ago is 3.6 m long and 20 boards wide obviously I want to reuse these boards in the new deck and I just cannot work out the sizes required.
In my defence one of our spaniels had a tumour removed from his ear this morning so there is quite a lot of stress around at the moment. He is fine and recovering well :)
I am going to have another go tomorrow.
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Re: Small workshop

Postby MY63 » 16 Aug 2019, 16:57

I gave up trying to work out where to put the joints in the deck so I have ordered 28x 3.6m 47x100mm for the joists and 211.2m of assorted deck boards I will join the boards where they need to be joined avoiding those close to the mitres or overlapping joints whichever my other half decide she likes on the day.
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Re: Small workshop

Postby MY63 » 22 Aug 2019, 21:46

Circumstances have dictated that my next stage of works are path and decking. I would have preferred to make my workbenches first well at least one.
Anyway there is a small piece of grass in the middle area with a black basalt path going round it.
The final batch of 1800 kg of stone arrived late last week and is sitting on our drive.
Our current deck was replaced about 6 months ago more like 10 months actually.

Image2019-08-22_09-27-01 by my0771, on Flickr

Circumstances also told me I had to sort the path out asap so in the picture you can see where I have placed my posts continuing the edge of the workshop forwards until it joins the extension of the original deck.

I would appear when setting the posts in front of the workshop doors I feel I must have either been suffering from hypoglycemia or was in fact drunk as they neither line up nor are vertically square.
I will correct this tomorrow weather permitting by doing something clever with the track saw or circular saw to even them up.
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Re: Small workshop

Postby MY63 » 23 Aug 2019, 19:57

I have realised yesterdays explanation and picture were poor to say the least I hope this picture and explanation are slightly better.

Image2019-08-23_07-39-39 by my0771, on Flickr

In the bottom right you can see the existing deck with its step. I have made a box section to extend the step forward. The intention is for the step to disappear into the riser of the new deck leading to the workshop doors.
I had always planned to do this so the lower side of the doorstep on the workshop is level with the original deck. The ground dips in every possible way in every direction it also has paths and paving all over it my current plan is to break through where posts are required and cover the rest in weed barrier removing any grass and weeds I come across. Not ideal but it as good as I can get.
I am using 47mm x 100mm as joists as there is not much ground clearance in places so I plan to fit posts every 1.2 m.
I hope this makes more sense.
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Re: Small workshop

Postby MY63 » 24 Aug 2019, 18:37

Paths finished with help from my wife and son :)

Image2019-08-24_06-32-31 by my0771, on Flickr

Just decking to finish.
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Re: Small workshop

Postby Malc2098 » 24 Aug 2019, 19:02

Coming along. Nice and neat. Wish mine were.
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Re: Small workshop

Postby MY63 » 26 Aug 2019, 20:50

We have made a little more progress with the garden part of the build. My son and I have been laying out the decking joists cutting them to size and marking out where the posts are going to go. Tomorrow we are going to dig our post holes and lay the weed barrier. The double joist in front of the workshop has been placed exactly where my foot has been landing for the last few months and I have placed one post in the centre of each door.

Image2019-08-26_08-24-14 by my0771, on Flickr

The flower bed was a late addition but I have managed to position it to help with the joint in the 3.6 m long end beams.
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Re: Small workshop Decking

Postby MY63 » 08 Sep 2019, 23:03

I am still trying to get my head around this decking malarkey the frame has been removed and refitted with the weed barrier in place. Holes dug and posts fixed there were some places that had the old path which was some form of concrete which was impervious to blows from the large hammer so some posts sit on top of that.
Here is my plan for the mitre part.

Image2019-09-08_06-08-40 by my0771, on Flickr

Sorry it looks a little messy I ensured that the short joist from the flower box and the tail from the path were 90 degrees. Using the frame square I marked and cut a short piece to support the corner.
I hope this picture explains it.

Image2019-09-08_06-08-21 by my0771, on Flickr

I have made the double joist to support the end of the deck boards it starts at the inside corner of the two decks. I have still to add more posts and lots more framing to do.
If anyone spots any mistakes please let me know.
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Re: Small workshop

Postby TrimTheKing » 09 Sep 2019, 10:59

Difficult to tell from those pics where exactly you are planning to have the mitre line running.
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Re: Small workshop

Postby MY63 » 09 Sep 2019, 12:42

TrimTheKing wrote:Difficult to tell from those pics where exactly you are planning to have the mitre line running.


Thanks the deck runs down the fence line on the left in the picture and joins with the deck in front of the back of the house.

Image2019-09-09_12-28-10 by my0771, on Flickr

I think the double joist gives me the option of either a mitre or the overlapping type joint recommended by others here.
The end nearest my feet is centered on the inner corner of the two decks in order to maintain the 45 degrees it does not end where I would like it to. This means I will have some straight pieces by the opening to the garage door.
I have made a block with a bolt running through it to fit in the end of the pair of joists which will allow it to be fixed in place.
Any help would be appreciated.
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Re: Small workshop

Postby TrimTheKing » 09 Sep 2019, 12:47

So where the mitres will join is in the gap between the double joist running vertically in the last pic?

If so, does the mitre have to be 45deg...? Why not run the mitre at whatever angle is required so you don't end up with any non-mitred parts...? It will mean two different angle cuts for each join but will get you where you want to be. Orrrrr, you go with the staggered one and make life a LOT easier...

Or am I misunderstanding your quandary?
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Re: Small workshop

Postby MY63 » 09 Sep 2019, 13:17

I thought I had everything worked out but plans change and I have added a piece down the fence line which has caused the issue.
My main concern is around the joint at the inside corner of the two decks at the front of the picture. Is it strong enough and is the idea correct.
As you said the decks will meet down the double joist my plan for a mitre involved joining all of my track together 3.9m and cutting the mitre with my plunge saw. I understand that the mitres don't have to be 45 degrees but I think I may be over complicating things by trying to be clever. Although I am coming around to the idea of the staggered joint as you sensibly suggest.
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Re: Small workshop

Postby MY63 » 10 Sep 2019, 19:49

Sometimes posting or talking about an issue helps to order things in the mind so thanks to Mark I woke up this morning with a clear plan. Well when I say clear I mean I have decided to follow the advice given here to use an overlapping pattern rather than the mitre plan.

Image2019-09-10_07-29-38 by my0771, on Flickr

I am pleased with my progress today unfortunately I am going back to see the surgeon on Friday I know more surgery will be needed as I have fingers triggering on both hands now so my plan to have everything finished within a year is less likely now.
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Re: Small workshop

Postby Malc2098 » 11 Sep 2019, 09:39

That’s going to look really smart!
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Re: Small workshop

Postby Andyp » 11 Sep 2019, 13:09

I have terrible difficulties trying to visualise stuff like this. To help I would put down a few decking boards, without attaching them, just to see what it looks like.
With the care and attention you have put into everything else I cant see it being anything other than looking very nice.
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Re: Small workshop

Postby MY63 » 11 Sep 2019, 17:15

Thanks Malcolm
Andy I understand where you are coming from I also find it difficult at times drawings help. But in this circumstance actually writing it down helped me to work out what I needed to do.

Image2019-09-11_04-33-44 by my0771, on Flickr

I used the first 45 degree noggin to fix the corner to 90 degrees the second noggin was the anchor for the double joist to support the joint in the deck boards. I have repeated the same method at the other end of the double joist although I only used a single mitred noggin.

Image2019-09-11_04-34-09 by my0771, on Flickr

As you can see in this picture I have started to put the mitred joists in place down the fence line I am limited to working a couple of hours a day now so it is going to take some time.
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Re: Small workshop

Postby DaveL » 11 Sep 2019, 19:13

You are still making good progress, should look great when you get the boards on.
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