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Andy Kev.

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I just stumbled on this video on YouTube:


It would appear that Bad Axe has developed a completely new type of saw set. As someone who has never gone near to sharpening and setting a saw, it looks to me like a bit of kit that might take a bit of mastering.

What do those of you who do sharpen saws think?
 
Hmm. Something that needs that amount of instruction to use is probably only ever going to get used to set a lot of saws with the same pitch and set all at the same time. I only have to sharpen and re-set saws once in a blue moon, and many of my saws have a different pitch at the start point. I don't find it all that difficult or time consuming to deal with my western saws. So the tool would not appeal to me and I also think it needs a guide to keep the blade angle consistent.

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A couple of Eclipse sawsets and off you go, you do need the small plunger one for high TPI saws and a standard one.
A few quid on eBay or your local carboot.

Hammer seting has been used for years.


Pete
 
I don't sharpen hand saws as much as I did when I was younger, but I can't think of a more complicated, and likely expensive, method to accomplish this task. The Eclipse 77 pliers have always worked perfectly for me.
 
I believe that many saw manufacturing processes used hammer set.

The thinking is that the tooth is less likely to spring back after a sharp bend via impact than the slow bend achieved with a handheld saw set.

Though I wonder if hammer set was used in production because it's easier to automate and/or faster.

I think I'm happy to use a standard sawset. It works, so I can't see the need to change. If I had a lot of saws to set perhaps I'd change my mind. At the moment it an occasional job to sharpen a saw and I don't set every time.
 
I don't think there is scope for anything really new in saw setting tools. For evidence, you could leaf through the 305 patented designs at Datamp.org https://www.datamp.org/patents/disp...&start=0&class=4300&cat=90&type=150&subtype=3

which are a mixture of types from 1812 to 1957.

Or go to the "Saw set collector's Resource" here for a gallery of years of ingenuity


Personally, I'm happy with a choice of several plier types. And as far as I know, at the only remaining mainstream UK commercial maker, they just use the right sort of hammer, freehand, on a long bevelled anvil.
 
The reactions are more or less what I accepted. I think that when people have a think and come up with new ideas to be applauded but I suspect that this bit of kit would only be needed by a specialist.
 
Dare I say a young Mr Preston junior made a rather natty version akin to this without the faff....
Cheers, Andy
 

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AndyT said:
I was hoping you'd show us that one Andy.
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If I'm correct there now has been found a 3rd earlier type with no screw holes for attaching a wooden rest....
There's bits missing or should I say they were, I didn't buy it but have been in conversation with the present owner.
Cheers,Andy
 

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Perhaps Interesting from a different perspective, if it could sort out old bandsaw blades too, albeit slowly
should it be possible, then the idea might be worth the trade off, for some who don't have the space for large jiggery.

Saying that, I'd love to know if there's a pliers type setting tool which one in such a predicament could consider?

Tom
 
AJB Temple said:
Hmm. Something that needs that amount of instruction to use is probably only ever going to get used to set a lot of saws with the same pitch and set all at the same time.
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If I remember rightly, they developed that tool to set their own saws in the factory, so that's exactly the intended use case. It's probably on sale mostly because a certain personality type tends to see a 'special' tool and want to buy it.
 
Setting the teeth is pretty easy.......once you can see them. I find 16 tpi quite challenging to set properly, but it's not a new method of setting that would help me so much as a magnifying system.
 
I can't see there being a big market for this as most if not all carpenters and joiners I work with buy ready sharpened throw away saws. I have some saws I sharpen and use when in my workshop (Garage/outbuilding workshop) but it's not economical to sharpen a saw on site anymore and if you did you would probably be told to leave if on a day rate.
 
Making saws for more than a decade and an Eclipse or a clone is all I need.This new one from Mark misses a feeler gauge for the other tooth. IMHO. Than it could be fast and precise.
 
AndyT said:
I don't think there is scope for anything really new in saw setting tools. For evidence, you could leaf through the 305 patented designs at Datamp.org https://www.datamp.org/patents/disp...&start=0&class=4300&cat=90&type=150&subtype=3

which are a mixture of types from 1812 to 1957.

Or go to the "Saw set collector's Resource" here for a gallery of years of ingenuity


Personally, I'm happy with a choice of several plier types. And as far as I know, at the only remaining mainstream UK commercial maker, they just use the right sort of hammer, freehand, on a long bevelled anvil.
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Good day folks, could someone else see if the Saw set Collectors Resource link is still active please?
I just get the waiting to connect gubbins.
Cheers, Andy
 
AndyT said:
It does seem to have stopped working at that location - which is a pity!

A quick search showed that some of its content is also at
https://sawdatabase.com/Documentation/The Saw Set Collector's Resource - Patent List.html
but that page is full of bad links and may well be unmaintained.

Fortunately, the Internet Archive's Wayback Machine has a good backup:

https://web.archive.org/web/20240316060106/http://members.acmenet.net/~con12a/
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Thanks Andy, I'll stop waiting for it.....;)
Should have figured that the TIme Machine would have it.
I do hope that the I.A.W.M. has a built in longevity chrystal :unsure::)
Cheers, Andy
 
toolsntat said:
Thanks Andy, I'll stop waiting for it.....;)
Should have figured that the TIme Machine would have it.
I do hope that the I.A.W.M. has a built in longevity chrystal :unsure::)
Cheers, Andy
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Ah, I should have looked before posting this, it appears to me that some of the essential images are not available?
Cheers, Andy
 
toolsntat said:
Ah, I should have looked before posting this, it appears to me that some of the essential images are not available?
Cheers, Andy
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Yes, that's a pity. I wonder if Mark Conley is still around - his sites have rather old "last updated" dates. You could try emailing him, but I rather suspect that the Archive captures, incomplete as they are, may well be all that we can see now :(
 
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