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Greetings from Germany

Mike

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Hello all,

I retired last year from the U.S. Department of Defense and remained in Germany. I thought I would have lots of free time in retirement to pursue my woodworking hobby, but that has not been the case. If someone had told me that there would be less free time during retirement, I would have been skeptical, yet it is true. The difference is I am now busy with the things I (and my wife) want to do instead of the things I have to do.

My basement shop is still a work in progress, and my latest project is getting my Record Power BS350S bandsaw in order after being dormant for several years. The more I work with it, the less pleased I am with it and might replace it with a better machine.

I look forward to being a contributing member here, and already recognize a lot of names from UKW.
 
Hi and welcome aboard Mike

Yeah you'll recognise a couple of names from UKW and a lot of new names.

Good to have you here, hope you enjoy your fora a a bit quieter and less volatile than UKW. Not that UKW is a bad place at all, but it's much more sedentary and dare I say friendly over here most of the time.
 
Welcome Mike. This is a smaller and more gentle place than UKW, and I hope you enjoy your time here.
 
Welcome aboard Mike.
What problems are you having with the bandsaw? There are a few very knowledgeable chaps on hear that might be able to help if you start a thread in the Tools and machinery board.
 
Yo! Hiya Mike and welcome from deepest Mid-Devon!

I've got a 14" SIP that I'd like to replace, but I get by with some good blades and a bit of maintenance, oh and some new guide bearings, and some table wax, and a new drive belt and new tyres.

It'll be a hassle to get the old one out and up to the road to a new buyer collecting it and a new one into the workshop! :)
 
Hi Mike,

Welcome to the forum. Quits

You have found the truth about retirement!
DaveR posted a comment that retirement is getting up in the morning with nothing to do and going to bed, not having done half of it.

What blades the are you using on your bandsaw? A good blade will make a huge difference in how the machine works.
 
Thank you, everyone!

The problem I'm having with the bandsaw is mostly the blades. I wanted to order a couple of blades from TuffSaws, but they are delivering only to the UK now. I ordered an Axcaliber high carbon 1/2-inch 3TPI blade from Axminster.

After I set the tension (flutter method), I noticed the blade was constantly jerking along the axis of the cut. Upon closer inspection, I noticed the blade was not welded accurately. The back of the blade was not straight, and there was a visible gap at the weld when I put a straight edge along the back of the blade. Likewise, there was a bulge on the tooth edge at the same point, so the blade was joined with a slight angle at the weld. I'm waiting to hear back from Axminster, but the blade is useless to me. I put one of the no-name blades that came with the saw, but it is a placeholder until I can find a good blade. If I had access to a blade welder, I would redo it myself, since I've made hundreds of blades.

The other problem (annoyance) with the bandsaw are the upper and lower guides. I can work with them for now until I either replace them with bearing guides or replace the saw.
 
Hi Mike,

Enjoy the forum, I'm also in Germany, where about are you?
 
Ian at Tuffsaws used to ship to Germany, I wonder why he has stopped?
Is it covid or the dreaded B word?
 
DaveL":11lsutk3 said:
Ian at Tuffsaws used to ship to Germany, I wonder why he has stopped?
Is it covid or the dreaded B word?

I sent and email to TuffSaws this afternoon asking when, or if, they will be shipping to Germany.
 
Mike":hb27nfx7 said:
Thank you, everyone!

The problem I'm having with the bandsaw is mostly the blades. I ordered an Axcaliber high carbon 1/2-inch 3TPI blade from Axminster.

After I set the tension (flutter method), I noticed the blade was constantly jerking along the axis of the cut. Upon closer inspection, I noticed the blade was not welded accurately. The back of the blade was not straight, and there was a visible gap at the weld when I put a straight edge along the back of the blade. Likewise, there was a bulge on the tooth edge at the same point, so the blade was joined with a slight angle at the weld. I'm waiting to hear back from Axminster, but the blade is useless to me. I put one of the no-name blades that came with the saw, but it is a placeholder until I can find a good blade. If I had access to a blade welder, I would redo it myself, since I've made hundreds of blades.

If you've found a dodgy weld on an Ax blade, they will unquestionably sort it out for you, but rather than email, give them a ring and ask to speak directly to somebody in Technical Services (or similar) - Rob
 
Mike":1upzr0su said:
DaveL":1upzr0su said:
Ian at Tuffsaws used to ship to Germany, I wonder why he has stopped?
Is it covid or the dreaded B word?

I sent and email to TuffSaws this afternoon asking when, or if, they will be shipping to Germany.

Mike I had this response from from Ian about shipping to France.

Unfortunately not I'm afraid - with the amount of admin involved and parcels
going missing it's just too much hassle and expensive at the moment.

If Axminster can see the benefit of shipping to Europe I think Ian ought to have a second look at his delivery methods and costs.
As I said elsewhere unless you are a tradesman ( reduced VAT in France) buying affordable quality tools and accessories is not easy.
See my thread in the general Woodworking Board maybe droogs could forward them on to you.
 
Welcome aboard, Mike. I'm one of the token Americans on the site, and am a contractor working on Scott AFB in Illinois.

Although I agree that getting your blade replaced would be the best bet, you can also go with a splicing kit. Lee Valley sells one:
https://www.leevalley.com/en-us/sho...41049-bandsaw-blade-splicing-kit?item=03J5901
You need a grinder or file and a propane torch. It works really well, and they include enough silver solder to fix a fair number of blades.

For tools, consider trying to find used ones. If you don't mind doing the fixing up yourself, the price can't be beat. And working on woodworking machines is way easier and cleaner than working on cars.

Kirk
 
Welcome from me as well,Mike. Happy to act as an intermediary. Tuffsaws send to.me and I forward on to you.

Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk
 
Welcome Mike, yes, this is an altogether more dignified and transparent place than UKWS - which presently, seems to be some kind of Orwellian nightmare transformation. "Newspeak" don't y'know?

Sam.
 
MJ80":18lsv52r said:
Hi Mike,
I'm further north, up near Bielefeld

Only a few hours away. One of my friends used to live in Paderborn on the weekends and work in Wiesbaden during the week.
 
kirkpoore1":th376tj9 said:
For tools, consider trying to find used ones. If you don't mind doing the fixing up yourself, the price can't be beat. And working on woodworking machines is way easier and cleaner than working on cars.

Kirk

Kirk, now you are no longer the token, unless both of us are token Yanks.

Sourcing tools here is not a major problem, it the accessories that can be a challenge. Some tools simply aren't available, such as cabinet table saws. Apparently, there is no market for them in Germany and the available saws are contractor saws and sliders, with nothing between. Cabinet saws that are readily available by Grizzly, SawStop, or Axminster cannot be found here, and Axminster won't ship their Craft or Trade equipment to Germany.

When I originally bought some of the power tools, I didn't do a lot of research and didn't buy as wisely as I should have. The two power tools I regret buying are the Holzmann J/P (or P/T) and the BS350S. Money and availability was not the issue, knowledge of the market and the change of my shop location mid-stream were the issues. I went from a mobile garage-based shop to a mostly fixed basement shop, and even that has more than doubled in space since I started. Knowing what I know now, I would have bought the Minimax S400P (MM16) bandsaw and the Minimax FS30 J/P. As soon as either of the items I have fail or I can sell them to make space, I'll replace them with the better items.

After I changed location to the basement, the determining factor for any large equipment was the ability to transport it down a flight of stairs, since the basement was completely below grade with no external doors. Almost all of the equipment I purchased had to be disassembled to meet the weight restrictions for the stairs, or just to be manageable by two or three people. My Minimax SC2 Classic slider saw was delivered mostly disassembled by the distributor, but I had to strip it down further in order to move it to the basement.
 
droogs":b6xhys5v said:
Mike
Which Holzmann do you have? I ask as I have my eye on a TM410

I have the HOB 260NL, which is very similar to the Axminster AC250PT. I wouldn't be surprised if these were made on the same factory floor.

I'm not familiar with the TM410. Is this a UK designation? All of the P/T on the Holzmann website start with HOB, which I think is an abbreviation for "Hobelmaschine", or planer.
 
It is a 410mm planner/400x230 thicknesser industrial 3 phase machine. Seems newer versions now have the HOB prefix
 
Mike":2b2p676c said:
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After I changed location to the basement, the determining factor for any large equipment was the ability to transport it down a flight of stairs, since the basement was completely below grade with no external doors. Almost all of the equipment I purchased had to be disassembled to meet the weight restrictions for the stairs, or just to be manageable by two or three people. My Minimax SC2 Classic slider saw was delivered mostly disassembled by the distributor, but I had to strip it down further in order to move it to the basement.

Ah, the basement dilemma. When I first moved into this house my shop was in the basement, and I had to drag the tools (mostly Powermatic and Craftsman) down the stairs. When I built my shop extension to the garage, I had a move-in party to drag them back up the stairs, and I built a sled to get the heavier ones (Powermatic drill press and table saw) up after disassembly. Even with that, I had left my big tools in the garage because it was impractical to take them downstairs.

I suppose that for accessories on line is going to be your friend. What sort of things are you looking for? After market attachments? Blades?

Kirk
 
kirkpoore1":3t4jq7ts said:
I suppose that for accessories on line is going to be your friend. What sort of things are you looking for? After market attachments? Blades?

I was trying to find a good source for quality bandsaw blades, and that was resolved this afternoon. :)

Normally, anything that can be mailed or shipped by commercial carrier hasn't been a problem; however, that changed with COVID as shops closed and manufacturing crawled to a halt. I put off ordering a LS25 positioner from Incramental Tools, and by the time I got around to it, the delivery time increased to 15-18 weeks. I ordered one anyway, and it arrived yesterday. Now I can add it to the sliding bed of my SC2C and give it sliding rip capability. I still have to make a Fritz & Franz jig for it, but I have plenty of time (I hope).
 
Mike":3jt9pydw said:
Sourcing tools here is not a major problem, it the accessories that can be a challenge. Some tools simply aren't available, such as cabinet table saws. Apparently, there is no market for them in Germany and the available saws are contractor saws and sliders, with nothing between. Cabinet saws that are readily available by Grizzly, SawStop, or Axminster cannot be found here, and Axminster won't ship their Craft or Trade equipment to Germany.


The cut your nose off to spite your face business philosophy here certainly takes some getting used to. If I need spares I always order them from the UK. SCM in Germany are so unhelpful and insanely expensive, call the UK, no problem parts on the way.

It has taken years to get relationships with sawmills and timber yards to get materials at a proper price, but consumables can be problematic.
 
Does Germany have a vastly reduced rate of VAT for tradesmen like here in France? There are some companies here that wont even talk to you unless you are VAT registered.
 
MJ80":110bu56o said:
The cut your nose off to spite your face business philosophy here certainly takes some getting used to. If I need spares I always order them from the UK. SCM in Germany are so unhelpful and insanely expensive, call the UK, no problem parts on the way.

It has taken years to get relationships with sawmills and timber yards to get materials at a proper price, but consumables can be problematic.

My opinion is based solely on my observations and conversations with others from the U.S. military who were unsuccessful in trying to continue their hobby while stationed here. Woodworking here, as well as other trades, tends to be reserved for those who complete the lengthy training program that starts in school and continues after being taken on as an apprentice under the wings of a Meister.

Several men in my neighborhood are convinced that I am running a home-based Schreinerei (joinery or cabinet shop) because there is no reason for anyone to own professional equipment and not make money with it. If you want bookshelves, go to the furniture store and wait 20 weeks for the order to arrive, or contact the local Schreinerei for custom shelves.

This observed mentality extends to the availability of equipment when visiting the big box stores with respect to tools and lumber. The largest saw I can find in Bauhaus, Hornbach, Obi, or Toom (all similar to B&Q), are small contractor saws, which are suitable for cutting bracing for formwork or maybe ripping sheetgoods, but nothing requiring precision or repeatability.

Sourcing a decent table saw, band saw, or P/T, requires talking to the larger manufacturers like Felder/Hammer, SCM, or any of the mass-produced offshore clones such as Bernardo or Holzmann. I originally wanted a Hammer K3 Basic and started the lengthy discussions with the salesman on options. In the end, I abandoned this option because the lead time was 90-120 days and I had to make my own arrangements for shipping, delivery to my shop, and commissioning. And then I stumbled on a store in Mannheim (30 minutes from my house) that is a distributor for Martin, Altendorf, SCM, and Festool. In addition, they buy used equipment, recondition it, and sell it to shops who can't afford the latest Martin saw.

As I walked through the showroom drooling, I came upon the SCM Minimax SC2 Classic on display. I asked the salesman, who spoke fluent English, how long it would take to have one of these delivered. He told me the earliest I could have it was two or three days, because their technician was on leave. We shook hands on the deal and I had it in my garage the following Monday. The purchase price included delivery, setup, and commissioning, and the technician lives two towns away from me (about five miles).

Lumber is another issue, and I finally found a great source of kiln-dried lumber about ten miles from my house. The business caters mainly to large businesses who buy pallets at a time, but will tolerate the small-time buyer who wants one or two sheets or one slab of lumber. This shop has American walnut, American cherry, mahogany (no idea of the species), American maple, English walnut, beech, white oak, red oak, ash, and a couple other types.

All of the lumber is slabbed and stickered, with thicknesses ranging from 50mm to 70mm, widths from 25cm to 60cm, and lengths between 2.5 and 4 meters. As is typical here, lumber is priced by the cubic meter, and any major defects in the slab are deducted from the measurement.
 
Andyp":cwj31zv8 said:
Does Germany have a vastly reduced rate of VAT for tradesmen like here in France? There are some companies here that wont even talk to you unless you are VAT registered.

As far as I know, the 19-percent VAT on goods applies to everyone except resellers or those with tax-exempt status. I was fortunate when I started buying my tools, as I had tax-exempt status under the NATO treaty. I could use the tax-exempt form (VAT Form) at any point of sale business that accepted it, but the VAT form was not valid for mail order purchases.

The store in Mannheim where I bought the Minimax SC2 Classic accepted the VAT form and gave me a 10-percent discount on future purchases. I took advantage of this generosity when I stockpiled my Festool collection prior to my retirement.
 
Being a professional joiner and having run my own business and workshop in England counts for nothing over here. At least at the start it was like that. It's a very closed shop and it took a lot of talking to people and introductions via established joiners I know here to lay the groundwork for getting back up and running again. I don't have a company registered here nor do I appear on the registered list of hand workers. As I am not registered many suppliers won't do business with you, but I can still order from them using my accounts in the UK - think Hafele. Given the many many many tens thousands I have spent with them the German operation is unable to show any flexibility. What is even more frustrating is one of the large warehouses is only 40km from home but everything has to make a massive round trip to get here. On the other hand when you find someone who is helpful they can be really really amazing, the rest of the time you are banging your a head against a well.
Qualification classes are different, but I would be counted as a meister here via qualification and having had my own company for so long. The training is pretty good, but gets expensive once you go above the basic levels and you are looking at I think around 25K to do your Meister. Setting up a limited company GmbH needs a downpayment of 25K, or setting up a mini limited company for about 600 but them having to divert a large percentage of profits into a fund to upgrade to a full GmbH. It leads to a closed shop mentality in many ways and I'm really not a fan of a lot of the furniture and joinery styles that are produced here. And you have to pay through the nose for everything, I always load the van up with stock (think veneered MDF etc) when I am in the UK, it saves me a fortune. When we bought our house the bank were more interested in convincing me to set up a business again so they can make even more money, it was a very long afternoon.
Don't even get me started on shipping here!
 
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