Scheppach TS4010 Power Inlet

[wizer]

Hi

Does anyone know what I need to power one of these?

https://photos.app.goo.gl/FGJmBPOgl85nJPjT2

It doesn't look like a standard plug?

 

[Robert]

Can't be sure but it looks like a French power plug that would accept a lead with some kind of flying socket on the end..

Andy?

 

[AndyP]

Yep. Looks like a standard French plug to me. Here is one on my garden shredder which is 15amp is yours marked at all Tom?


You should be able to get a socket in the UK

Edit:
Evidently they are known as Type E http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/mains-plu ... s/7001101/

 

[the bear]

Sorry can't be of use with your question but what happened to your jet supersaw?
Mark

 

[wizer]

Thanks guys

I was offered a 'cheap' Scheppach TS4010 but the guy hadn't seen it running. He didn't have the adapter lead that went from that inlet. I went down there to take a look. Whilst there I took off the inlet and wired it directly to a 13a lead. The saw tried to start but then blew the plug fuse. I am assuming it needs a 16a supply? It was cheap enough that I took a punt and brought it home. It's an old saw with some bits missing, but I needed something right away and it looks like it'll be fine once cleaned up. A stop gap for a year or so.

This is what the power inlet looks like inside:

Can I fit a standard blue 16a male socket on this and then run a 13a to 16a fly lead?

 

[Tusses]

Thanks guys

I was offered a 'cheap' Scheppach TS4010 but the guy hadn't seen it running. He didn't have the adapter lead that went from that inlet. I went down there to take a look. Whilst there I took off the inlet and wired it directly to a 13a lead. The saw tried to start but then blew the plug fuse. I am assuming it needs a 16a supply? It was cheap enough that I took a punt and brought it home. It's an old saw with some bits missing, but I needed something right away and it looks like it'll be fine once cleaned up. A stop gap for a year or so.

This is what the power inlet looks like inside:

Can I fit a standard blue 16a male socket on this and then run a 13a to 16a fly lead?

My TS and BS would blow the plug fuse, so I put a trailing 16A socket from the breaker box, and the 16A plugs on the machines. Not tripped the breaker since.

Not sure what that elec trickery is in the pic though. I'd check 1st. ... Bob might know

 

[wizer]

Sorry can't be of use with your question but what happened to your jet supersaw?
Mark

Hi Mark

That saw got sold 7 or 8yrs ago (iirc). :eusa-think:

 

[9fingers]

Tom,

We can't see your photo to be able to offer suggestions. I've looked at your link and it seems incredibly long, much longer than other google pics that you have posted in your workshop thread for instance.

eg

"https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/yPlQLiuMIc153jvH0ej6_NnhZiFb3BIkqlZy6m9U-kXbhD5VcNc7u8GDlmzs432GWr3cRu6rbeDqL08DVw_eiYxEWzQ_BzVqHh_tRuGCEmXAIgNYkB8D990NSFBsqDzCqK49YCglre8ipZpcyAd32QPQ-xs9idHvIpR1M0PYr34HxDsdcw5bFGLt_6_-OThaLqC9lyZpCfWCopjLuf5WYOwSLwwaM9IXOb-9j1WX8iT2KB0c8_N78yA8V58VOSszo33uX0lg5_eaNnEINWg2pLSTZhShlU1munoL6_JzQtNTmdFmiAjNRszx72ccsaPm4Slo2uGFbu9l4LkfrSbBJ4Tzi9luyOBtXE-qhV-ug910C8edkbepqiV8FyROd3P-nfKZ0nfqTG5z5kYMgk3x-FnsCn5UL5EaYwRcjazkw4-m4E0_zK4rgD31JXWcvdArboo6I-iKXRNNvsRnVq52_5F9Td8z1pLSk0u6afvCIhPV6E6IkZDy2w8ILORzwEMO0Ou_UjJVCAXnOJWcggpevLof5Gh02MibyS4-giz2ZtoRo3yy8h1CIIMcIaPxukD-4VNj-UaGTCoss_cSNO-FBg-wA5ii7BCwvmjgpwTzWEQ=w713-h950-no"

compared with

"https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/SNqczBgTfP_3rBoJP9eHqMU35SG7vSjuT0hD_r4P7sd1xPrOv_FW6byZQVbktuYWFpwA2GpSUY6qq1xu80eENDcnGIqyTPTM876UkjU5G4roeFwr1s4ia7gvZkKuypLm0fOV392TE5g"

Bob

 

[Tusses]

I can see them Bob ?

 

[9fingers]

I can see the one Rich has posted but his link is different to the one Tom posted.

I can't see Tom pics on either PC or fruit phone.

Bob

 

[Tusses]

1st post was a link to google photos

this is the other pic from there

then this is the lid off pic

 

[9fingers]

Anyway, to answer Tom's question.

Yes you should be able to fit a chassis mounting commando plug. These usually have a square flange with a hole at each corner. If there is meat in the housing to take screws then either self tapper or drill and thread the holes m5 or similar.
If there is not enough, fit a block of plywood, where you can on the casing and then screw the commando plug to that.
I have an item of garden machinery from Sheppach with one of those Schuko connectors and it is a PITA as it works loose with the vibration of the machine. Conversion to a commando socket is on my round-2-it list.

Bob

 

[9fingers]

Your second pic is not visible to me Rich.

 

[Tusses]

2nd pic

 

[9fingers]

Yes the gubbins in the box will have to stay. It's either soft start or braking or both.
Making a new lid to the box and fixing on a commando socket seems the way to go to me.

Bob

 

[wizer]

Thanks Bob. As I expected. I'll pickup a 16a commando from work tomorrow.

We vaccuumed and blasted a full bin bag of saw dust out of it this afternoon :shock: But it looks like everything is ok. Shame it's missing the sliding table rails tho

 

[justaskin]

Hi I had a 4010 saw bench with the same mains attachment before downsizing. If you need a lead longer than a couple of meters you definitely require 16amp cable and a dedicated single supply to your consumer unit and circuit breaker using a blue socket and plug similar to what caravan and motorhome use. A 13amp socket and plug invariably blows the fuses due to the startup loads.

It is a fine machine but not made to be portable for the small workshop.
Richard

 

[wizer]

Thanks Richard. I fear I might run into trouble with our electrics. We recently upgraded the consumer units, but the house is in dire need of a re-wire :?

 

[wizer]

Just had a chance to play with this again. I didn't get far.

I have wired in a 16a commando socket and plug

This failed miserably. It tripped the 13a fuse in the plug, as before. I think I've mis-understood what I need to do. Is the only way to get around the 13a fuse from blowing, to bypass it completely and put a 16a outlet on the wall? i.e one of these:

Then go 16a male plug/cable/16a female plug into the saw?

 

[Tusses]

I have a trailing socket (extension lead , sort of) , but the "plug" end is wired directly to the consumer unit.

I did that , rather than a wall outlet, so I can swap from machine to machine as needed.

if that makes sense ? :eusa-think:

 

[wizer]

Consumer unit is nowhere near the garage sadly.

 

[Tusses]

Consumer unit is nowhere near the garage sadly.

?

do you not have small one / fuse box etc ? anything ? , where the power enters the garage ?

The run your lighting , sockets etc separately off that ?

 

[9fingers]

Tom
I did not tell you this!!! PURELY as a test
Wrap the 13 Amp fuse in a couple of layers of aluminium foil replace in the plug and try out the machine. You will be protected by the 30 amp fuse on the ring main.
Once you have proved the machine is ok. Remove the foil and wire in the commando socket in your photo via a c16 or c20 Mcb in a din housing spurred off the ring main in the garage.

This post will self destruct at some stage to protect my credibility :lol:

 

[Tusses]

:lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[wizer]

hahah Bob I did consider that earlier. I'll try that, just don't tell Anita.. :eusa-whistle:

 

[justaskin]

Hi Bob

Didn't use the foil trick as one layer melted, mind you it was £land stuff. Used a sawn down 6" nail :lol:
Richard

 

[Tusses]

We still have an old fuse box in the house and use the old fuse wire. You can still get it.
maybe better than nails and fag paper :lol:
As Bob said , if the house wiring is up to scratch , the main fuse box should have it covered.

 

[Tusses]

a quick look for the cheapest on ebay 99p including post

maybe keep some in ?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1-x-Consumer- ... SwR6JZeZus

 

[9fingers]

I have rewirable fuses in my workshop. So much more tolerant of short term overloads and yet adequate protection. Ideal as I'm often tinkering with suspect motors and getting them going for people.
Bob

 

[wizer]

SUCCESS!!

Foil method worked a treat. Motor runs up, sounds good!

Thanks Bob. I'll get it all wired up correctly

 

[9fingers]

SUCCESS!!

Foil method worked a treat. Motor runs up, sounds good!

Thanks Bob. I'll get it all wired up correctly

No Worries Tom
Glad it is firing on all cylinders.
I hate those Shucko connectors. You are well rid of them.
I have one on a Scheppach machine that I must get round to changing.

Bob