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Why is there a notch in the thumbscrew on a marking gauge?

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In Sam's thread about making a marking gauge, I mentioned that there is generally a little notch at the top of the thumbscrew. I've learned somewhere - but I can't remember where - that it's one of those little oddities, like the nib on a handsaw, where nobody is really sure why.

Rather than clutter up that thread with a long digression, I thought I'd start a fresh one and see if anyone can come up with an explanation that we all like.

Let's start with some history and some pictures.

I think the most comprehensive history of woodworking tools is still Bill Goodman's , from 60 years ago. He refers to this 1607 Dutch engraving by Hieronymus Wierix (used on the cover of his book) as including the earliest known illustration of a marking gauge, .

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(Engel met een doek vol gereedschap - 1617 - Rijksmuseum, Netherlands - Public Domain.

If you zoom in on the full image, you can see the tool in question, ready for use:

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but there's no visible means of fixing the setting.

In his Mechanic Exercises, first published in London in 1680, Joseph Moxon wrote about how to use a "gage" in which the oval stock was "fitted stiff upon the Staff" and adjusted by knocking it on the bench. So it seems that some early gauges did lack any sort of locking mechanism and perhaps the Dutch used that sort in Wierix's time.

The illustrations of tools in Moxon are not always a good match for the text - as he lifted some of them from a 1670 French work by Andre Felibien. His picture of the gauge shows a tool with a thin square stock, not an oval one:

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This is a French style tool. The thin stock and square shaft also appear in this illustration from André-Jacob Roubo's l'Art du Menuisier of 1761:


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(L'art du menuisier... par M. Roubo le fils,.... Partie 1 by Roubo, André Jacob (1739-1791). Auteur du texte - National Library of France, France - No Copyright - Other Known Legal Restrictions.)
but the gauges shown there clearly have wedges, at right angles to the shafts. Interesting designs, with their wide stocks, but with no thumbscrews.

In England, the Seaton Chest of 1797 contains seven marking and cutting gauges, but they are all made to use wedges for setting the width.

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My search for historic images runs a bit dry at this point.

One of the earliest - and prettiest - tool catalogues is Joseph Smith's 1816 Explanation or Key, to the various manufactories of Sheffield which was the forerunner of the Illustrated Sheffield List. This was a general catalogue used by many manufacturers. There's a really good scan here https://www.europeana.eu/en/item/9200518/ark__12148_btv1b8529037p or a straight pdf here https://archive.org/details/explanation-or-key-to-manufactories-of-sheffield.

Here's the page of gauges:


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which is unfortunately not as clear as you might like. There are thumbscrews at last, but they look a bit too weedy to be made of wood. Maybe they were brass? They do look about the same size as the ones on the end-adjustable mortise gauge.

While we are on the subject of nicely illustrated early catalogues, I'll mention another, even though it's not English. It's from le Chevalier de Wertheim, an Austrian manufacturer and was published in French in 1869 as a catalogue to accompany a display of tools which was shown at various big trade exhibitions. It was also a sort of lavish reference book for students with 45 plates, 18" by 24", containing 1081 pictures and measured drawings. It's a very rare book; only a couple of copies are known. It shows tools for many woodworking trades - cabinetmaker, turner, cooper, wheelwright, carver, mechanic and covers a huge range of specialised planes, saws, chisels and so on. Volume one is the descriptive text, Volume two is the illustrations. The original is in the collection of the University of Princeton, who have digitised it and made it available, which is a good thing.

(I read about this on Joel Moskowitz's excellent blog here where I also learned that our own London Science Museum used to own the displays of tools but dismantled them and sold them off in the 20th century:mad: )

Here's the picture of marking gauges.

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There's a mixture of continental and British styles there but the point of including it is to show that the thumbscrew on Fig 23 is definitely a brass one, not a wooden one, so my guess about the ones in Smith's Key might be ok.

I'll get onto later pictures, but the image limit is now 10, so I'll do that in a second post.
 

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Later on in the nineteenth century as catalogues become commoner they often used standard printing blocks which you can see turning up under various vendors' names. This made sense in a time when reproducing illustrations was an expensive hand skill and tools were highly standardised anyway.

So almost at random, I can offer you this from Marples in 1870

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or from Ward and Payne in 1909


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from the 1902 Nurse catalogue, nice and clear, with a definite notch:


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On the same page there are also illustrations of some Stanley gauges, imported from America, which are drawn without that notch - see here https://archive.org/details/c-nurse-and-co-price-list-12th-ed-1902/page/7/mode/2up. So it appears that the notches could be a distinctly English/Sheffield thing.

And here are some actual gauges. All unmarked but looking commercially made.

Some have a nice straight cut

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Others are wider

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This one has a little dimple, which does look as if it was on the end of a piece of wood running against a lathe tailstock


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and this one has no notch

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The 20th century plastic thumbscrew on this Crown Tools gauge (bought new by me!) is of course also un-notched.

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So what was it all about?

I said I thought it might be for holding the work, but there's no consistency of size, and some are made without needing a notch at all.

My current thinking is that it was done that way because it always had been and to have left it out would have been skimping, but let's have some suggestions from everyone else. I know it's not important, but it's harmless!
 
I always assumed that it was so you could stick something in the notch if the screw thread bound. Threads were often wood. A persuader.
 
Without to much deep thinking and perhaps as indicated by the notch less example it looks nothing like a wing nut which had become an established form for gripping and tightening.
Cheers, Andy
 
Yes please.

I think the image limit used to be 20, not 10.
OOPs seems like I don't know how to do that! We used to have a merge tool on the other software but so far I've not found one here. I will keep looking.
Even if you do hit a photo limit (and I don't know what qty we have here) then all you need to do is post a thread and reply to it yourself to add more info/pictures
Back to attend mod school!
Bob
 
Andy, it's very simple. It's there for the same reason that there's a 'nib' on old handsaws:ROFLMAO: - Rob
 
With an exposed indent used for turning like your pictured example Andy it has an unfinished look about it. With a quick dib against a cutting wheel it is tidied up.
Cheers, Andy
 
With an exposed indent used for turning like your pictured example Andy it has an unfinished look about it. With a quick dib against a cutting wheel it is tidied up.
Cheers, Andy
But how do they make the fully round ones, that are all nice and neat without a notch?
 
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