Woodie with some missing parts

[Sheffield Tony]

Well, I was going to share a glue-up with you, but the instructions on both bottles of glue say it is far too cold in my little workshop, so it stays as a pile of bits.


So, I had a look around for something interesting to fiddle with instead, and found this plane with a few missing parts


OK, a lot of missing parts :lol: It is a Thos Ibbotson toothing plane blade, which I found for £2 in an oddments box at the Tools for Self-Reliance stall at the Bodger's Ball.

It seemed in usable condition, so looked like it had potential - first question for you folks - do you agree ? But - I have never even seen a toothing plane in the flesh, much less used one. So, where can I look for some starting pictures / measurements / hints / videos on making one ?

 

[AndyT]

I can provide photos and measurements. It's a bit too cold in the workshop just at the moment, so I hope tomorrow will be soon enough.

 

[AndyT]

I'll still take some pics of mine, but I just remembered that there's a toothing plane in Charles Hayward's useful booklet on making your own tools. There's a ready made scan of the whole thing at Gary Roberts' ever useful Toolemera site, here

https://www.toolemerapress.com/2019/07/ ... yward.html

 

[Sheffield Tony]

I knew I could count on you Andy. Thanks, will give it a look.

 

[MJ80]

I posed some photos of mine in Mikes thread on the #80 scraper a few weeks ago.

 

[AndyT]

First of all, Tony, let me say that your iron was a steal! It looks unused to me.And I'm sure you will be able to make it a nice holder.

Here are some pics of mine, which works well. I'm not sure if it was commercially made or not - the previous names on the toe have been obliterated so I can't make out if there was a maker's name there or not. The throat is well made but the inside of one abutment is a bit rough, not that it matters at all.

The body is a bit sloped - whether from re-flattening or to change the angle I have no idea.

In the throat, the 'wear' - the slope immediately above the mouth - is cut on the same plane as the front of the wedge/backs of the abutments, at right angles to the sole. It goes vertically for about 15mm, then slopes forwards at 45 degrees. The iron is 50 x 152mm, tapered by about one degree. The wedge angle is about 6 degrees.

The pictures should tell the whole story.









PS - What's your not yet glued up project?

 

[Lurker]

Is that a modified generic wooden plane?
Can’t work it out

 

[AndyT]

Is that a modified generic wooden plane?
Can’t work it out

No, it can't be, not with the iron near vertical. To modify an existing smoother you'd need to insert a fat wedge to bring the bed angle up, then remake the place for the wedge.

 

[AndyT]

I realised I left out a measurement. The mouth is 7mm wide, or about 2.5mm clearance in front of the cutting edge.

 

[droogs]

That is a damn good iron you have there. Just remember you only ever sharpen on the bevel and it only needs to protrude a very small amount to do a lot of work. Will prove to be a great tool for you Tony, perfect for use in preparing for hide glue even on large tenons as gives a great mechanical key for the glue

 

[Sheffield Tony]

I forgot to add s couple of things here, primarily a thanks for so much useful information. An idea is forming. Charles Hayward's little book is quite a good and pragmatic approach to toolmaking, I like it.

PS - What's your not yet glued up project?

Excuse the clutter ...



This. For hanging coats. My son has been using a set of coat hooks in the hall since he was about 3. This presents a number of problems - there is nowhere for our coats, his dangle on the ground by now, and a set of brightly painted coat hooks with stars on it is a tad embarrassing by the time you are 18 :lol: The idea of the panel is to keep the coats off of the cold outside wall, to avoid mould.

It has only one coat of Osmo on it at this stage (still wet !). It is a hand tools project aside from the cordless drill. The pegs are pole lathe turned, and the tongue and grooves were done with a Record 043 for the groves. I tried a tongue cutter in my 050C, but it was a horrible experience so the tongues were done instead with a wooden rebate plane. Chamfers with my homemade chamfer plane.

 

[NickM]

That's lovely!

 

[TrimTheKing]

Very nice Tony, will do the job perfectly that will.

 

[AndyT]

Very smart, Tony. Lovely timber too, is it cedar?

 

[Sheffield Tony]

It's steamed beech with one coat of PolyX, still wet, which might affect the colour. I have to say after being spoiled in the last few things I've made using air dried oak, ash and walnut, I didn't get so much joy from this stuff. Seems more dry, brittle and somehow "dead". It was left over from making bath panels. From an odd dour local timber merchant, who first sucked air through his teeth and said "Beech ? In a bathroom ? Are you sure ?" then told me he didn't like beech, "it's a boring wood". Not sure of his sales tactics really. The bath panel has been there a year or two now and hasn't moved or disintegrated despite his fears.

Oh, I know you like a bit of re-sawing by hand Andy, so you might be pleased to hear the 15mm thick tongue and groove panels started out as ~2" thick boards hand sawn with the biggest rip saw I could find on eBay.

 

[AndyT]

Sounds like a proper timber merchant! Was that back in Yorkshire?
And how can I put this... your claim about resawing sounds plausible, but I rather hope you took a picture to convince all those power saw owners in the recent survey!

 

[Cabinetman]

Very nice Tony, re-sawing with a ripsaw, and hand doing t&g's, crikey you guys are making me think I need to rethink my woodworking, keep me fit I suppose, and I am meant to be retired! Ian