Workholding methods on Benchtalk101 tonight

[toolsntat]

I'll pop this here for now.....
Cheers Andy

To join in use this link
https://us02web.zoom.us/j/81164688577?p ... JMNXdkQT09

 

[Trevanion]

“A glass shall be raised to the person who comes up with the most primitive method at the end!”

Can I nominate Jacob with his bean can filled with lead weights that’s dangling off a string on a lever for holding down dovetailing work? :eusa-think:

 

[9fingers]

Now Jacob Butler taking part in a zoom chat and the ensuing arguments might be worth a watch for the sport alone as well as seeing how the chair handles it. :lol:

Bob

 

[Lons]

Now Jacob Butler taking part in a zoom chat and the ensuing arguments might be worth a watch for the sport alone as well as seeing how the chair handles it. :lol:

Bob

I suggest throwing the chair at him would be a start. :lol:

 

[Doug]

“A glass shall be raised to the person who comes up with the most primitive method at the end!”

Can I nominate Jacob with his bean can filled with lead weights that’s dangling off a string on a lever for holding down dovetailing work? :eusa-think:

Worked surprisingly well when he demonstrated it to me though I think he used a kilo weight if memory serves.
Not that primitive really, I’ve nailed bits of wood to the bench before to hold them can’t think of much more primitive than that

 

[sunnybob]

I use the hand that isnt holding the tool.
Do I win? bscene-drinkingcheers:

 

[Lurker]

Can I just watch ?

Want to view via my telly

 

[Trevanion]

Can I just watch ?

Want to view via my telly

Yes, you can watch without contributing to the conversation. You’ll need to set-up Zoom on a viewing device of some kind such as your computer or a tablet, I’m not sure how you would go about putting it in the telly as I’ve never done it, but I imagine you can somehow stream it via Bluetooth via your tablet onto a smart TV or using a HDMI cable from the PC to the TV if you’re old school.

 

[9fingers]

Can I just watch ?

Want to view via my telly

Depends how smart your telly is. if it is wifi connected and you have a browser installed and quite possibly a zoom account you might be able to.

Or connect your tv to the laptop with HDMI cable

or "cast" it to some sort of USB stick that you may have which can put anything on PC screen onto TV screen
However none of this sounds like a capability a technophobe would have.

Bob

 

[Lurker]

My telly has u tube so can I get zoom?
Maye I need to ask my IT support (no. 2 son)

 

[AJB Temple]

I think they are all released on You Tube anyway shortly after the Zoom meeting? Hence if you are not participating you can just watch it on YT later at your leisure.

 

[Lurker]

I think they are all released on You Tube anyway shortly after the Zoom meeting? Hence if you are not participating you can just watch it on YT later at your leisure.

Yes, that makes more sense. I think it has auto generated subtitles too which saves me trying to work out what's going on

 

[RogerS]

“A glass shall be raised to the person who comes up with the most primitive method at the end!”

Can I nominate Jacob with his bean can filled with lead weights that’s dangling off a string on a lever for holding down dovetailing work? :eusa-think:

You forgot the concrete block on the planer recommendation.

 

[Doug]

“A glass shall be raised to the person who comes up with the most primitive method at the end!”

Can I nominate Jacob with his bean can filled with lead weights that’s dangling off a string on a lever for holding down dovetailing work? :eusa-think:

You forgot the concrete block on the planer recommendation.

That was a bit more unusual but then again I’ve often wondered about a power feed on the out feed table :eusa-think:

 

[RogerS]

“A glass shall be raised to the person who comes up with the most primitive method at the end!”

Can I nominate Jacob with his bean can filled with lead weights that’s dangling off a string on a lever for holding down dovetailing work? :eusa-think:

You forgot the concrete block on the planer recommendation.

That was a bit more unusual but then again I’ve often wondered about a power feed on the out feed table :eusa-think:

Where else would you put it ?

 

[toolsntat]

I think they are all released on You Tube anyway shortly after the Zoom meeting? Hence if you are not participating you can just watch it on YT later at your leisure.

Yes, that makes more sense. I think it has auto generated subtitles too which saves me trying to work out what's going on

Ok, bit of an update.
I've had a word and, if all goes well, we may be having live subtitles tonight.....
Cheers Andy

 

[Trevanion]

Worked surprisingly well when he demonstrated it to me though I think he used a kilo weight if memory serves.
Not that primitive really, I’ve nailed bits of wood to the bench before to hold them can’t think of much more primitive than that

Ah, I'm only teasing :lol: . If I recall he was trying to compare it to Derek Cohen's very precise setup for dovetailing in extraordinarily hard timbers (Jarrah) which was a master-class in jig making, but no where near as good as Jacob's bean can on a string :eusa-naughty:

Nice to see you posting here again though Doug, I thought you had left.

 

[Doug]

Worked surprisingly well when he demonstrated it to me though I think he used a kilo weight if memory serves.
Not that primitive really, I’ve nailed bits of wood to the bench before to hold them can’t think of much more primitive than that

Ah, I'm only teasing :lol: . If I recall he was trying to compare it to Derek Cohen's very precise setup for dovetailing in extraordinarily hard timbers (Jarrah) which was a master-class in jig making, but no where near as good as Jacob's bean can on a string :eusa-naughty:

Nice to see you posting here again though Doug, I thought you had left.

What and you never started a thread where’s Doug gone :lol: :lol:

Thankfully work has picked up dramatically since last year so I’ve not had as much time on the tinternet Dan.

 

[Trevanion]

What and you never started a thread where’s Doug gone :lol: :lol:

Thankfully work has picked up dramatically since last year so I’ve not had as much time on the tinternet Dan.

Ah, well if I hadn’t seen you posting elsewhere and on Instagram then I might’ve become a little concerned :lol:

Nice to hear that you’re busy, struggling to get timber, glass, paint, and just about everything else at the moment :x

 

[9fingers]

Must have been a “gripping” :lol: zoom session as there has been no discussion about it.
Just off topic replies.
Bob

 

[AndyT]

Well, I enjoyed it. There was some old geezer at the start wittering on about handscrews, but it got better after that...

 

[Trevanion]

Ah, I didn’t manage to get on, admittedly I was doing something else and forgot all about it :eusa-doh:

 

[9fingers]

How long roughly does it take them to get it onto You tube? I looked just now and could not see it yet.
I did find some chap spouting about putting his router into it's box and using his table saw as a table again though.
I do feel sorry for these types - they need help back to the real world - please give generously.

Bob

 

[Doug]

Here you go Bob



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=po11UTu8WMA

 

[9fingers]

Thanks Doug, I'll give a look tonight - bu88er all on the tv tonight!

Bob

 

[AndyP]

Thanks Doug, I'll give a look tonight - bu88er all on the tv tonight!

Bob

What! ITV 8pm. How can you not watch? It’s the auld enemy.

 

[Doug]

 

[9fingers]

Doug has the right measure of things.

Bob

 

[AndyP]

I know, I know, I was expecting nothing less.

i am sure Mark will be watching though.

 

[toolsntat]

Anyone got a favourite ?
Chesters wedge gubbins looked very quick and efficient but I'm sure I'd want it to be hinged and left flush to the bench whilst not needed.
Quite surprised the regular glove makers didn't want to know more about mine :lol:
Cheers Andy

 

[sunnybob]

Every body ignored my "other hand" workholder, :shock: but I'll try again :lol:

Hot melt glue.
I have a router sled and hot melt glue all shapes and sizes of wood to the slate and then use the router over it.
Minimal fuss and effort.

 

[9fingers]

Anyone got a favourite ?
Chesters wedge gubbins looked very quick and efficient but I'm sure I'd want it to be hinged and left flush to the bench whilst not needed.
Quite surprised the regular glove makers didn't want to know more about mine :lol:
Cheers Andy

There were a couple of innovative things there - the chair weaving clamp and perhaps the wedge device but my ww methods are so very different to most here that I was left with feelings of how awkward these folk make their hobby but everyone to their own.
When I was making my wish list for my workshop in 2005 ready for my retirement in 2009 I put down vices 53s I think. A couple came up fairly cheap but I've still not fitted them. in 12 years of woodworking mainly furniture, I've just not needed a vice. It's almost the same in my metal workshop. The engineers vice gets used for the odd bit of hacksawing but thats about all.
I'll possibly look in from time to time.

Re your glovemakers vice, I was a bit surprised at a long straight jaw. I though maybe a curved jaw a bit like a french curve would be needed for curved work?

Bob

 

[droogs]

Will watch and comment once the morphine wears off later today lol

 

[AndyT]

Bob, the aim was never to produce an ordered list of the most useful workholding solutions. A succession of people all saying "get a big quick release vice" would not have been very interesting - though several of us did make a comment that mostly we used a vice.
Rather, the theme was to present one workholding device or method, with no attempt to list them in advance, avoid duplication or cover all the possibilities.

With participants from several different traditions, and different levels of experience, variety is the most frequent theme.

And Andy, I'd love to have discussed your glove vice at length, but by then it felt important to let everyone else have their say.

 

[9fingers]

Bob, the aim was never to produce an ordered list of the most useful workholding solutions. A succession of people all saying "get a big quick release vice" would not have been very interesting - though several of us did make a comment that mostly we used a vice.
Rather, the theme was to present one workholding device or method, with no attempt to list them in advance, avoid duplication or cover all the possibilities.

With participants from several different traditions, and different levels of experience, variety is the most frequent theme.

And Andy, I'd love to have discussed your glove vice at length, but by then it felt important to let everyone else have their say.

AndyT I was not looking for an ordered list. Largely we are a disparate group most fairly set in our ways of woodworking. I come at it as an engineer working with a material that unlike other materials I use has defects that have to be worked round so my methods are different from most. You won’t find me using hand tools unless backed up against the wall :lol: this single difference in method means I rarely need much in the way of work holding. I think someone mentioned hands? The guy with a full white beard. I’m with him. My hands hold the work and machines do the cutting.
I’m not saying anyone is right or wrong just different horses for courses that’s all

Bob

 

[Doug]

I found it interesting that the leg vice wasn’t mentioned which I personally see as more of an expensive fashion statement these days & that Richard shared my view that the record 52&1/2 quick release is the best vice out there for a professional shop.
That said it’s always interesting to see & hear how others go about their woodworking & why I enjoy benchtalk 101