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Boring Teak!

Eric the Viking

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Around 17 years ago, I scored a big assortment of hardwood offcuts, from a local furniture restorer who was retiring. I filled my long wheelbase Landrover (having removed the middle row seats!), and it was well down on the springs once I'd loaded it. He wouldn't take much money for it - strangely I was the only person who'd responded to his advert.

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Roll on to now and I need to make a new threshold strip for our front door. We've redone the hall floor and the door, which is probably about 110 years old now, has acquired 1 3/4" of gap under it. Which is draughty...

So I did what I usually do: go up in the attic and find something suitable from the various piles in-stick up there.

I found what I thought was the perfect piece, of teak, I think (nothing is labelled!). It was filthy, and obviously only rough sawn (still had the mill's stencil on it, which stupidly I planed away before photos). It was the right size and shape and wonderfully straight

So I dragged the P/T out of its dark corner, and, thanks to Dr. AI of this parish, fitted a fresh set of sharp knives (not for long - it's teak after all!). And what was revealed was very pretty - if you like Teak, which I do.

It only needed about 3mm off the worst side to remove the saw marks and water stains entirely. I got a bit of tearout as there's the corner of a knot right at one end, but it's teak, after all, and that'll be hidden underneath.

It's the piece on top in the picture, and it's much nicer still in real life. The shine is straight off the thicknesser, no sanding or finish. The other bits underneath are AWO, for another project (while I had the P/T out, etc.). Apart from posing for the camera they'll play no further part in the story.

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I'd noticed a hole in one side of the teak, when I found it up in the attic, but I thought it was simply where a dead knot had dropped out. It's keyhole-shaped and about 1" long by 5/8" wide at the widest part. I was intending to drill it out and plug it, after all, that'll be hidden by the doormat.

After planing, the hole was rather more obvious, and I thought I should investigate a bit further. It's rough sided, a bit like the surface of a coconut and quite a bit darker than the surrounding wood.

The odd thing about the whole piece of stock was that the knot didn't run all the way through - there ought to be some evidence on the other side, Shirley?

Up close it didn't look quite how I imagined a dead knot might look in teak...

... nah, it couldn't be very deep. I still have enough waste, if I'm careful moulding it, to make a plug from the same piece, but it'll have to be a bit bigger than I thought. Oh foolish man!

I tapped it, hole downwards on the concrete: sawdust (and probably frass) came out. Groan.

The only things usefully to hand were a couple of cable ties, but it was obvious what I really needed was a wire rope ladder and my old caving helmet. Here's the result:

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Yes, that's 150mm. And it's apparently wider at the end, and goes on a bit further too (I found some galvanised wire to experiment with after the pic.). To make matters worse, it's on an angle. I was planning to take a chunky rebate out for the door itself, but that'll be chunkier still if I'm not careful.

So what the heck was it that likes teak so much for breakfast? Thankfully it probably died in the South American saw mill - I could find no trace of eggs nor corpses inside. But the planer knives didn't stay sharp for all four sides - that's only about 17 linear feet, so how could anything actually want to eat the stuff?

Regarding the threshold, I'll probably have to hove over to Robbins and shell out for some Sapele or similar. I might try to finish machining it but, infuriatingly, the hole is almost exactly central in one of the narrower sides. I might get lucky and miss the damaged part when doing the rebate, but it's pretty unlikely.

You're a well-travelled bunch: does anyone know what the culprit might be?

And has anyone got any bright ideas as to how I might deal with the damage neatly? I'm wondering about using a 1/2" plunge bit to cut out as much as possible and let in some more teak, but as I said, I probably won't have a good match. At least it's not loadbearing or otherwise structural, and it would be a shame to waste it...

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You said it didn’t go right through, can’t you put the hole (filled) to the underside? I agree it must have had a ferocious appetite!
And the guy who sold you the timber for not much money was just very pleased that it was going to be used.
 
Yes. I got the impression he was delighted I knew a bit about what I was buying. He wasn't keen to talk, otherwise I'd have asked him more about his work.

The visible hole is in one narrow side of the stock, but the invisible part goes annoyingly diagonally across to the other side (it corkscrews a bit, too). I might just get away with it as-is, but I'm not sure putting a rebate into any corner won't cut into the invisible bit, which seems to be much bigger than just the hole.

I've got a couple of ideas, one of which is to bandsaw it in half along the length, and re-glue the outer faces to each other, so inside becomes outside. The damage can then either get rebated completely away, or it might be cut out and plugged. But it moves it from right in the middle to top or bottom, where it's less of a nuisance.

Of course that last only works if I can find some similar teak up in the attic (probably can), but I have had surprising success glueing teak with Titebond 3, by first 'degreasing' it thoroughly with IPA followed by acetone, and I can probably also strengthen it with dowels or dominoes if necessary. The porch is sheltered from rain, so I'm fairly confident plugs would be OK. And it shouldn't get foot traffic, as people would step over it rather than on it.

I was also thinking about an "underground river" (table) done with resin, but only half seriously, although I could have a Lego caver down by the door hinge to amuse the grandchildren. Then there was the Robert Thompson approach - add a 'wedge of cheese' in AWO next to the hole (you'd have to imagine the actual mouse, as I can't really carve).

But seriously, you're absolutely right - underneath can hide just about anything!
 
Can you not fill it with resin if it will be hidden? Shame to waste it.
 
I'd be inclined to inject some filler (ie Gripfill or similar) into the burrow and put a plug of teak in the visible end, cut from the same board.

If it helps, I do have a little bit of thin teak that I haven't found any use for.
 
I'm with the others. I'd fill and bung that, and use it for its intended purpose.

How did you manage to get photos and text alongside each other? Did you compose your piece in Publisher or similar, and then copy and paste?
 
It looks like it could have been the not very imaginatively named Teak Trunk Borer.

“The larval tunnels are radial and follow a zig-zag course reaching as far as the heartwood.”


I’d also fill and plug it.
 
How did you manage to get photos and text alongside each other? Did you compose your piece in Publisher or similar, and then copy and paste?
I read it on the laptop rather than phone first of all and (surprisingly) didn't notice that. I didn't realise it was possible on the forum software.

It doesn't make the text very readable on the mobile phone though:

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Oh the joys of responsive design!

I used the forum's built in editor (on my tablet). The CSS ought to prevent text wrapping like that under those circumstances, but obviously doesn’t.
I'll re-edit it in the morning if the system lets me.

I'll also have a look at the CSS, which I can't do on the tablet I'm using now.
 
Please can someone on a mobile (Dr. AI?) check my original post for readability? I've re-edited it original post, so that the images are no longer side-by-side.

I'm 90% sure the issue comes from the responsive design parts of the stylesheets (or lack thereof), but I haven't really time to delve further.

Basically, the image options include left, right, and clear/full (no text) justification, but these really belong in the responsive bit of the CSS (for mobile types of viewport), so that images on a mobile can't get anything other than clear. It looks like the editor overrides the mobile device CSS, which it probably shouldn't. I'm very rusty on this so may be wrong.

It looks like you can have it nice for desktops/tablets, or 'phones (portrait, and lower res.), but not both simultaneously.
 
Please can someone on a mobile (Dr. AI?) check my original post for readability? I've re-edited it original post, so that the images are no longer side-by-side.
Looks fine to me.

I'm 90% sure the issue comes from the responsive design parts of the stylesheets (or lack thereof), but I haven't really time to delve further.
Quite likely. CSS is a black art if you ask me (and I say that as someone who spent an inordinate amount of time playing with it when I updated my website recently).
 
CSS is a black art if you ask me (and I say that as someone who spent an inordinate amount of time playing with it when I updated my website recently).
Quite agree.

When it first started I was doing a lot of web stuff and used to love how it cleaned pages up, and improved consistency of design, etc. (conceptually similar to when relational DBs became mainstream on PCs, back in the late 1980s).

But systems such as Less tend to hurt my little brain rather than help, although I can see the need -- the amount of complex design elements and interactivity on something like a forum page is huge, lthough that's not apparent to the typical user (and anyway it shouldn't be) . These days, I'm far too rusty to make good use of the diagnostic tools in Chrome, for all but the simplest issues, and anyway the CSS for these pages has several levels of nesting.

It's a bit depressing that, after 30 years of the Web as a business tool, we still struggle to accommodate desktop and mobile devices elegantly with the same content.
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The other thing that's depressing is the set of sharp corners on the bed of my thicknesser, one of which has just wrecked the neat corners I was trying to achieve on the stock! So I return to the garage in an hour or two, armed with a file and a determined look. "Wreck my stock once, shame on you. Do it twice..."

I've decided I'm going to plant the necessary bullnose on the top of that teak, rather than risk discovery of 'cave passage' by excavation!
 
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