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[Woodster]

Hi Woodster

I'm not sure I understand this part, do you feel you receive negative feedback on your projects, or are you talking generally as in the comments about the video in this thread?

It’s a bit of both really. In this particular post I just don’t understand why posting a woodworking related video can garner so much animosity?

 

[Phil]

...I think we all need to try a bit harder to post more actual wood stuff, I certainly will.

I agree Ian. Much of the stuff posted on here (if you were to click on 'Active Topics') is generated in The Woodmangler's Retreat with some stuff from other forums mixed in, which I find a bit disconcerting. I'm part way through a WIP and there appears to be very little interest in it (although you and AndyT etc have posted some comments) so I sometimes wonder ''why bother?'' It takes time and effort to take half respectable pics and do a decent write up that makes sense to those reading it and then to have no or little response makes me wonder at times if it's worth the effort.

That said, in the words of of a certain host of a black chair TV show...''I've started, so I'll finish'' so I'll soldier on with it regardless. Even if those reading it wrote that it was a load of old tosh :lol: at least that would be something! :lol: .....and the occasional 'nice ©' from Malc is appreciated :lol: - Rob

Ok, while we are all feeling sorry for ourselves and the lack of postings, WIP’s, comments and so on and so on and so forth ………………

How the F—k do you think I feel being all on my own in virtually my own forum where 3 out of 1,111 members visit?
I post the project link on another forum for them to look and try not to re-post the project.

I will now crawl into a corner, shred my clothes, pour ash over me and sulk.
(will take some wine with me!)
I will now STFU. :lol:

 

[AndyP]

Don't loose heart Phil,
my own Hegner scroll saw has sat more or less unused since the kids left primary school. I've made the odd ziggerdy man for nieces and nephews children but regular scrolling has taken a back seat for quite some while. If I was in my just into fatherhood stage again now I'd probably want a 3D printer or CNC router to make fun toys and games.

 

[AJB Temple]

The comments aspect is an interesting one. I've posted a few simple WIPs (eg 2 recent ones on carving) and do that partly to see if there are better ways that I am unaware of, but also to try to help keep the forum alive.

There are few comments, but there are two factors at play. The first one is that we have relatively few active members. Many of the active members here are experienced woodworkers, some with particular experience in certain areas and not much in others. Often I think people are interested to see what fellow members are doing but don't necessarily have anything to add. To give an example: Malc does some excellent threads about making banjos. As a guitarist, I don't actually like banjos at all, but I do very much like Malc's threads and seeing how he works. I used to make guitars and guitar parts years ago, so I do occasionally comment or ask questions, but very often techniques have moved on such a lot so in my case the observations are often about that. He uses CNC machinery for example, that was never available to me when I was making instruments as a hobby, so I have learnt quite a bit.

Personally Ive been put off posting WIPS in the past, partly because of the lack of drag and drop etc, but also because it takes me nearly as long to do the WIP as it does to do the actual job. For example, in the past few days I've made an oak tall stool for my kitchen, with a solid oak curved top. It's pretty simple (copy of something I saw in the Netherlands over Christmas) and had I had my brain in gear I should have done a WIP of it. Sadly it didn't occur to me. Right now I am making a load of drawer fronts and have not done a WIP because quite frankly everyone here will regard it as easy peasy.

I don't mind the You Tube video links at all. If people don't tell me what they are, then I don't bother to open them, but I do look at some and it's a totally personal thing whether we watch them or not, so I see no need t be snarky about them.

If we want the forum to thrive, then we all need to make a bit of an effort I suppose.

 

[Doug]

In this particular post I just don’t understand why posting a woodworking related video can garner so much animosity?

I imagine any reaction to posting videos with this sort of message comes about as it is completely opposite to the experience of folks who use dominos & know what the tool is capable of.
Personally I’ve come to the conclusion folks who make dangerous or misleading videos do so in the knowledge that they will be shared & debated (like this one) and so increase the amount of views they get.

 

[Dr.Al]

The comments aspect is an interesting one. I've posted a few simple WIPs (eg 2 recent ones on carving) and do that partly to see if there are better ways that I am unaware of, but also to try to help keep the forum alive.

Me too. I feel very much like a rookie wood-worker (especially where hand tool methods are concerned) and part of the reason I post WIPs is to learn from the comments that people post (and occasionally to ask specific questions where there are "known unknowns"!)

There are few comments, but there are two factors at play. The first one is that we have relatively few active members. Many of the active members here are experienced woodworkers, some with particular experience in certain areas and not much in others. Often I think people are interested to see what fellow members are doing but don't necessarily have anything to add. To give an example: Malc does some excellent threads about making banjos. As a guitarist, I don't actually like banjos at all, but I do very much like Malc's threads and seeing how he works. I used to make guitars and guitar parts years ago, so I do occasionally comment or ask questions, but very often techniques have moved on such a lot so in my case the observations are often about that. He uses CNC machinery for example, that was never available to me when I was making instruments as a hobby, so I have learnt quite a bit.

I have no real interest in musical instruments or music in general, but I've found Malc's WIP fascinating as that side of wood work is so alien to me, even though the computer control aspect would come naturally to me.

Personally Ive been put off posting WIPS in the past, partly because of the lack of drag and drop etc, but also because it takes me nearly as long to do the WIP as it does to do the actual job. For example, in the past few days I've made an oak tall stool for my kitchen, with a solid oak curved top. It's pretty simple (copy of something I saw in the Netherlands over Christmas) and had I had my brain in gear I should have done a WIP of it. Sadly it didn't occur to me. Right now I am making a load of drawer fronts and have not done a WIP because quite frankly everyone here will regard it as easy peasy.

Please don't think it's easy peasy. I've never made a drawer in my life (it's in my plans though!) As a new woodworker, I'm really pleased when people write WIPs (particularly, but not exclusively hand tool ones) because I can learn so much from reading through the thought processes and looking at the pictures. Far too much of the learning resources available are youtube and you have to watch 20 minutes or more of video to realise that there's nothing in there of value. With the written word you at least have the option of scanning for the relevant bit (particularly useful when you want to go back and review something again).

I have watched a lot of youtube woodwork videos (Paul Sellers, Rob Cosman, Matt Estlea, David Charlesworth, Tom Fidgen, James Wright, Stumpy Nubs and others) to try to learn techniques and methods, but since the early ones I watched, there are relatively few that I've found that have taught me something that I could usefully put into practice and have made a tangible difference. Matt Estlea and David Charlesworth are the notable exceptions there: all the 3 hour Charlesworth videos I've watched and all the much shorter and rather naffly named "How to X Correctly" videos from Matt Estlea have resulted in some real "aha!" moments so they were definitely worth it. However, I'd still rather read something than watch it.

I don't mind the You Tube video links at all. If people don't tell me what they are, then I don't bother to open them, but I do look at some and it's a totally personal thing whether we watch them or not, so I see no need t be snarky about them.

Likewise, I don't often open youtube links or watch shared videos. If there's a decent description alongside that makes it sound tempting then I might. I certainly don't mind if people post the links though. It's up to individuals whether they want to watch the video.

If we want the forum to thrive, then we all need to make a bit of an effort I suppose.

Absolutely. Must try harder!

In this particular post I just don’t understand why posting a woodworking related video can garner so much animosity?

Sadly there are always strong opinions on forums like this one and sometimes there can be over-reactions to any opinion expressed, even if it's an opinion expressed by someone else on a youtube video

 

[Doug]

Personally Ive been put off posting WIPS in the past, partly because of the lack of drag and drop etc, but also because it takes me nearly as long to do the WIP as it does to do the actual job. For example, in the past few days I've made an oak tall stool for my kitchen, with a solid oak curved top. It's pretty simple (copy of something I saw in the Netherlands over Christmas) and had I had my brain in gear I should have done a WIP of it. Sadly it didn't occur to me. Right now I am making a load of drawer fronts and have not done a WIP because quite frankly everyone here will regard it as easy peasy.
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This is why I really like the “post a photo of the last thing you made” on UKW, that thread has been running nearly 9 years & has work from beginners to experienced woodworkers which is great to see.
It’s quick & easy to up load a couple of photos, most will know how something has been made & if someone doesn’t they can just ask, there’s something posted on there most days with an incredible diversity of work which is what I want to see from a forum.

 

[AndyP]

Adrian and anyone else who forgets to start a WIP .
I and I expect others would be very pleased just to see the finished article with just a hint or two as to how it was made.

 

[Dr.Al]

Personally Ive been put off posting WIPS in the past, partly because of the lack of drag and drop etc, but also because it takes me nearly as long to do the WIP as it does to do the actual job. For example, in the past few days I've made an oak tall stool for my kitchen, with a solid oak curved top. It's pretty simple (copy of something I saw in the Netherlands over Christmas) and had I had my brain in gear I should have done a WIP of it. Sadly it didn't occur to me. Right now I am making a load of drawer fronts and have not done a WIP because quite frankly everyone here will regard it as easy peasy.
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This is why I really like the “post a photo of the last thing you made” on UKW, that thread has been running nearly 9 years & has work from beginners to experienced woodworkers which is great to see.
It’s quick & easy to up load a couple of photos, most will know how something has been made & if someone doesn’t they can just ask, there’s something posted on there most days with an incredible diversity of work which is what I want to see from a forum.

The "Stuff you have made today" thread on the mig-welding forum is similar and one of my favourite threads on every forum. It's only been going for just over 6 years, but has garnered 24,257 posts (vs 8,161 on the UKW one!).

I don't enjoy the UKW one that much, although I have a look at it most days. It has a bit too much in the way of similar (to my eye) looking wood turned stuff which doesn't interest me that much, but there are definitely the occasional gems that appear in the thread.

The mig-welding forum thread has everything from toy cars, pontoons, oak benches and roses to Hot Christmas Buns and Minions. Mostly metalwork, but a fair amount of woodwork in there too.

 

[AndyP]

Oh and please there is nothing too simple nor too basic for some, if not all, of us to learn from.

 

[Dr.Al]

Oh and please there is nothing too simple nor too basic for some, if not all, of us to learn from.

:text-+1:

 

[TrimTheKing]

Personally Ive been put off posting WIPS in the past, partly because of the lack of drag and drop etc, but also because it takes me nearly as long to do the WIP as it does to do the actual job. For example, in the past few days I've made an oak tall stool for my kitchen, with a solid oak curved top. It's pretty simple (copy of something I saw in the Netherlands over Christmas) and had I had my brain in gear I should have done a WIP of it. Sadly it didn't occur to me. Right now I am making a load of drawer fronts and have not done a WIP because quite frankly everyone here will regard it as easy peasy.
.

This is why I really like the “post a photo of the last thing you made” on UKW, that thread has been running nearly 9 years & has work from beginners to experienced woodworkers which is great to see.
It’s quick & easy to up load a couple of photos, most will know how something has been made & if someone doesn’t they can just ask, there’s something posted on there most days with an incredible diversity of work which is what I want to see from a forum.

Easy to remedy, we can start one…

One question, do we want it to be woodworking only, or ‘anything’ that we’ve made?

Or two separate ones, one for wood only and another for anything else?

Reason I ask is I’ve not made anything in wood for a while but my son got a 3D resin printer for Christmas and we’ve been playing with that…

 

[Dr.Al]

Personally Ive been put off posting WIPS in the past, partly because of the lack of drag and drop etc, but also because it takes me nearly as long to do the WIP as it does to do the actual job. For example, in the past few days I've made an oak tall stool for my kitchen, with a solid oak curved top. It's pretty simple (copy of something I saw in the Netherlands over Christmas) and had I had my brain in gear I should have done a WIP of it. Sadly it didn't occur to me. Right now I am making a load of drawer fronts and have not done a WIP because quite frankly everyone here will regard it as easy peasy.
.

This is why I really like the “post a photo of the last thing you made” on UKW, that thread has been running nearly 9 years & has work from beginners to experienced woodworkers which is great to see.
It’s quick & easy to up load a couple of photos, most will know how something has been made & if someone doesn’t they can just ask, there’s something posted on there most days with an incredible diversity of work which is what I want to see from a forum.

Easy to remedy, we can start one…

One question, do we want it to be woodworking only, or ‘anything’ that we’ve made?

Or two separate ones, one for wood only and another for anything else?

Reason I ask is I’ve not made anything in wood for a while but my son got a 3D resin printer for Christmas and we’ve been playing with that…

My opinion would be we make it like the mig-welding forum where anything you made goes. Having said that, the mig-welding forum has a separate "Stuff your 3D printer has made today" on the premise that 3D printed stuff isn't "Stuff you have made today"!

It might be something to start post-forum software change. One of the strengths of that thread is the ease of posting a quick photo with Ctrl-V. Note that I'm not trying to apply pressure to make that happen quickly: I understand you have different priorities.

 

[novocaine]

oi, 3D printed is still made (Assuming you designed the sodding thing at least).
no idea on the forum software but we did crash a forum from having 1 thread that was bloated with images.

 

[AndyP]

Oh I love that one Mark

My son got a 3D printer and WE ‘ve been playing with it

.

Good for him

 

[Dr.Al]

oi, 3D printed is still made (Assuming you designed the sodding thing at least).

I guess that comes down to semantics - stuff you made vs stuff you designed. There was a big debate about it on the mig-welding forum and it was decided that it belonged in a separate thread.

no idea on the forum software but we did crash a forum from having 1 thread that was bloated with images.

There are 25,000 posts (most with images) on the "Stuff you made today" thread on the mig-welding forum. That one is dwarfed by the 41,000 posts (again mostly with images) over 2054 pages on the "Today I acquired" thread (which perhaps shows what a squandery lot we are on the mig-welding forum!). Neither seems to struggle at all, so presumably the Xenforo software doesn't mind lots of images.

I've seen similar volumes of discussion on Discourse forums, so I think that one's fine too.

 

[Woodbloke]

Or two separate ones, one for wood only and another for anything else?

Reason I ask is I’ve not made anything in wood for a while but my son got a 3D resin printer for Christmas and we’ve been playing with that…

Two separate ones Mark. The text of your post needs ammending...wot's all this 'we'? :lol: - Rob

 

[Doug]

One question, do we want it to be woodworking only, or ‘anything’ that we’ve made?

I reckon just one for anything we’ve made there’s not that much project traffic on here & it needs to be fairly active if it’s going to catch on.

 

[Phil Pascoe]

Oh and please there is nothing too simple nor too basic for some, if not all, of us to learn from.

I PMed someone some years ago with an idea for an improvement on something he was making. He was producing moxon vices, marking gauges etc. of stunning quality, and I thought twice about doing so. Teaching granny to suck eggs and all that.
He replied that it was a great idea, a definite improvement on what he was doing. He was top side of retiring age and what I'd suggested I'd been shown at school when I was thirteen. Sometimes things are incredibly obvious only after we've been shown them, and we should never presume everyone else's knowledge is the same as our own, no matter how advanced or how basic.

 

[Lurker]

One question, do we want it to be woodworking only, or ‘anything’ that we’ve made?

I reckon just one for anything we’ve made there’s not that much project traffic on here & it needs to be fairly active if it’s going to catch on.

Yeah but, it might bring out projects we haven’t posted about.

 

[Doug]

One question, do we want it to be woodworking only, or ‘anything’ that we’ve made?

I reckon just one for anything we’ve made there’s not that much project traffic on here & it needs to be fairly active if it’s going to catch on.

Yeah but, it might bring out projects we haven’t posted about.

Nothing wrong with that the more the merrier

 

[Cabinetman]

Brill idea, I think there will be a majority of pieces in wood but it’s always interesting to see whatever people have made, so yes the more the merrier.

 

[AndyP]

Brill idea, I think there will be a majority of pieces in wood but it’s always interesting to see whatever people have made, so yes the more the merrier.

:text-+1: Those nutty place mats were excellent.

 

[Dr.Al]

Brill idea, I think there will be a majority of pieces in wood but it’s always interesting to see whatever people have made, so yes the more the merrier.

:text-+1: Those nutty place mats were excellent.

Awww, thanks!

 

[Alf]

It's possible that a thread of "anything" we've made, may become quite foodie. Or do I misinterpret the "anything"?

And I apologise because I'm very, very bad at commenting. In former forum years I used to post on pretty much everything as a habit left over from modding and trying to get threads going and people feeling welcome. Alas, time and brain are both a bit reduced these days, and it feels like a lot of effort. But it's not, so I will endeavour to Do Better. Especially making a point of posting that it's a "load of old tosh" on Rob's threads as requested...

 

[TrimTheKing]

Here we go everyone, I've created the thread and you can find it below. Let's see if we can't generate a bit more content off the back of it, hopefully nice and cordial from everyone, and hopefully it will generate more WIP's too, while I'm sorting the migration to better software.

viewtopic.php?f=26&t=8295

 

[Woodbloke]

Especially making a point of posting that it's a "load of old tosh" on Rob's threads as requested...

Thanks Alf, appreciated as always :lol: :lol: - Rob

 

[Cabinetman]

What do we think? Can we include some of our favourite pieces made previously? Thinking it may help get it off to a good start.

 

[Dr.Al]

What do we think? Can we include some of our favourite pieces made previously? Thinking it may help get it off to a good start.

I already have, without asking permission

viewtopic.php?f=26&t=8295&p=137588#p137578

 

[Woodbloke]

How about this; one of very first woody things I made? A dressing stool for my nan for Christmas, 1974 (I signed it underneath) and the writing is still legible:



It was rescued from the clutches of other relatives by my youngest brother when my nan died in the early 90's. I made it in a 7x5' garden workshop :shock: from some very suspect 'mahogany' sort of stuff and it's even got proper m/t joints and a bit of moulding which I think I did with a scratch stock. I also did the upholstery and leather work (lambskin) which is now looking a bit worn It survived a containerised sea voyage to Hong Kong and back again in the mid 90's so I must have done something right! :lol: - Rob

 

[Cabinetman]

Yes you obviously did, and I like the moulding detail.