Brown Parcel Tape

[Woodbloke]

Here's a useful little tip if you're not aware of it. Amongst all the other nefarious clutter that's usually kept in your under bench drawer, there ought to be a roll of brown parcel tape for two reasons. The first is that it has zero thickness (according to Rob Ingham and if it's good enough for him :eusa-whistle: ) and secondly because nowt sticks to it:





These bits of pine are the substrate for a veneered shelf in the latest big project. The true, quarter sawn bits of pine are only 9mm thick and need to remain dead flat under clamping pressure - Rob

 

[Cabinetman]

Thanks for the tip, good tape but shouldn’t be used on plastic bags that go through the post, slightest bit that gets unstuck sticks to other things and the whole lot comes off, happened to me with a return, the bag was delivered open sans tape and contents lost. I think it warns you on the PO site. I wonder what the thickness is?
Ian

 

[thetyreman]

nice tip! It beats using baking paper which can be a bit awkward

 

[RogerS]

Rob, I notice that you leave any squeeze-out. Is that because you simply use the drum sander to remove the dried glue ?

 

[Woodbloke]

Rob, I notice that you leave any squeeze-out. Is that because you simply use the drum sander to remove the dried glue ?

That's about right in this case Roger. I'll drum sand the pine down to about 8mm or so and then veneer both sides to bring it back up to 12mm. The shelf in JK's original cabinet appears to be about 12mm so mine will be likewise, give or take - Rob

...who's gone and cut all the front rails 20mm too short. I've been doing this stuff for five decades and still make bloody stupid mistakes! C'est la guerre.

 

[Mike G]

I'm asking out of innocence....

Krenov was a hand-tool woodworker, wasn't he? So he would have scrub-planed then flattened boards like this using hand-planes, wouldn't he? Did he even use veneers at all? And machine tools were certainly available to him in theory. Why do you think he chose not to do it the way you're doing it, and does it matter? As I understand it, he didn't use sandpaper at all. Is it possible to separate the method from the result?

 

[Woodbloke]

I'm asking out of innocence....

Krenov was a hand-tool woodworker, wasn't he? So he would have scrub-planed then flattened boards like this using hand-planes, wouldn't he? Did he even use veneers at all? And machine tools were certainly available to him in theory. Why do you think he chose not to do it the way you're doing it, and does it matter? As I understand it, he didn't use sandpaper at all. Is it possible to separate the method from the result?

Hand plane yes and he made extensive use of thick, bandsawn veneers. He also had access to a large variety of machines; tablesaur, bandsaw, p/t and small spindle moulder to name four. I think that had a drum sander been available he would probably have used it and again he also used sandpaper, but sparingly. If you haven't read the books Mike, they do make very good reading as he had a unique and attractive way of putting stuff down on paper. In fact, prior to woodworking, he made his living in the 50's through writing travel books - Rob

 

[Mike G]

Thanks Rob. I haven't read his books (I've never read ANY woodworking books). From what I've gleaned of Krenov I certainly agree with his methods and philosophy, even though, as you know, I'm no fan at all of his designs.

 

[Woodbloke]

Thanks Rob. I haven't read his books (I've never read ANY woodworking books). From what I've gleaned of Krenov I certainly agree with his methods and philosophy, even though, as you know, I'm no fan at all of his designs.

I was surprised at how good the books are to actually sit down and read; they're certainly not of the 'do this, do that' sort of woodworky tome that you usually find. There's quite a lot of philosophical meanderings around his work and methods which makes for an interesting and entertaining read. Yep, you don't need to like his work, but the methodology of how he goes about stuff is very revealing - Rob

 

[9fingers]

Is it possible to separate the method from the result?

A hidden and profound question!

Of course it it possible to separate these. It makes no difference whatsoever which methods are used provided structural integrity etc is maintained. The result is all that truly matters!

Bob

 

[Mike G]

We're back to my "magic woodworking machine" argument. If you could stuff a tree branch into one end of a machine, and your completed piece of furniture were to pop out of the other end ready for you to wipe on some finish, would you still make that argument? Because, after all, "it's the results that count".

So personally, I doubt there are many who would agree that it is only the result which counts.

 

[9fingers]

Depends if you take personal satisfaction into account for something you make or not.
If the object fulfills its purpose and is well finished then it does not matter how it was made.

Bob

 

[Cabinetman]

Interesting point Mike, I am at a crossroads, having to make a living making furniture I needed a lot of machinery and as I have said elsewhere, do I bring it to America where I just want to potter about in the workshop? I am beginning to think I may sell it as I am coming around to the idea of doing everything by hand, and shan't be making much furniture or going through lots of timber. I am keen to relearn a simpler quieter less dusty method of working
Also the idea of such a magical machine does nothing but make me hate the very thought of it.
Ian

 

[RogerS]

Rob, I discovered one downside to using your tip.

If you get a lot of squeeze-out onto the tape then, because (a) the tape is not absorbent and (b) no air can get to the glue to help it cure then when you unclamp everything thenext day, you have a wet sticky mess to contend with ....DAMHIKT :evil:

 

[AJB Temple]

The machine already exists. It's called Interesting Koncepts Enabling Artistry.

Apparently we are going to see this machine today.

 

[Woodbloke]

The machine already exists. It's called Interesting Koncepts Enabling Artistry.

Apparently we are going to see this machine today.

Enjoy yourself following the arrows and never seeing daylight! :lol: - Rob

 

[9fingers]

Never set foot inside one. I understand the meatballs might be the best thing you will find in there.
The cutting boards are oft quoted as a cheap source of HDPE for jigs, slides and fixtures.
Bob

 

[Lurker]

As a world renown pencils connoisseur, I can vouch for their excellent pencils which are just the right length for putting in your pocket while working.
Best of all they are free :eusa-dance:

 

[AJB Temple]

It was dull and a long way round. Mrs AJB T wanted to get bathroom ideas. The best idea was don't go to Ikea. No pencils in sight. Cafe was huge and cheap but not great quality. Fish and chips was rubbish, the plant balls were better than the meat balls surprisingly.

 

[Woodbloke]

Never set foot inside one. I understand the meatballs might be the best thing you will find in there.

Bob

Nope, you'd be wrong Bob. Most of the furniture in IKEA is absolute garbage, except this armchair which is an absolute classic and has been in production for many decades. It used to be available in a bright red Ferrari coloured leather, but appears not to be any more. It isn't what I'd choose for the lounge but great for a study room or bedroom. The design was inspired from a bentwood original from the 1930's which I believe can be seen in the V&A. I know for a fact that Derek Jones (ex ed. of F&C) thinks highly of them and has got a couple - Rob
Edit - still available in leather but not Ferrari red

 

[AndyP]

I’ve a couple of those too. Child size versions, dismantled and stored away for the next generation. Well we can all live in hope.