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CORE Tool Kit

Having had a close look at all the replies, it's been very interesting to try and pick out the common denominators, but the list I submitted to Ian Styles is as follows for a high end, cabinet makers core kit of hand tools:

PLANES
Heavy Jack 5½
Block plane 60½

CHISELS

3mm chisel
Set of 5, O1

MARKING & MEASURING

Square 150mm
150mm rule
600mm rule
Wheel marking gauge
Marking knife

SAWS

Dovetail
Tenon
Piercing saw

MISC

Card scraper set

H&S

Safety specs
Ear defenders
Dust masks

Remember please, this is a basic core kit which can be added to as a student progressed through his or her course. It also assumes that the student will have full access to (and will learn how to use) woodworking machinery that may be found in any pro 'shop. I'm hopeful that Ax will pursue this exercise and we'll see developments in the not too distant future - Rob
 
I don't see where this is going - that list looks like a very basic tool kit for any woodworker - I cannot see where the high end is coming from unless you are going to be more specific by saying all tools should be LN, LV or Holtey?
There's been lots of tool lists published on Forums.

Rod
 
Whilst I understand the concept that this is a basic kit, if the student had access to a full range of machinery then I would have thought a No4 or 4 1/2 would have been a more suitable plane as it is only needed for finishing.
I agree a No5 - 5 1/2 is a more all rounder but from this criteria the need for stock preparation seems to have been removed.

Kind regards,

Frank.
 
Rod":3vmmnf5e said:
I don't see where this is going - that list looks like a very basic tool kit for any woodworker - I cannot see where the high end is coming from unless you are going to be more specific by saying all tools should be LN, LV or Holtey?
There's been lots of tool lists published on Forums.

Rod
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Yes, I think much earlier in the thread there was a request for specific makes to be specified when people put forward their suggestions. Seems pretty clear from what Rob has said that where this may be going is into a box and then the Axminster catalogue. Maybe there will be more than one option in terms of make for some items so people can fit the core tool kit to their budget.

My hope would be that if this is being aimed at students, extra cost would not be built in by specifying it with a fancy case, etc. to keep cost down, and that for genuine students looking to start a career through their studies there would be a very hefty discount on the package to support them at the start of their 'journey'. Otherwise I agree to the very significant question over the purpose of this exercise.

Terry.
 
Rod":2j1zk5dt said:
I don't see where this is going - that list looks like a very basic tool kit for any woodworker - I cannot see where the high end is coming from unless you are going to be more specific by saying all tools should be LN, LV or Holtey?
Rod
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You're right Rod, it is a very basic kit of high end tools and is based on the stuff that Rob Ingham recommended for his students at Parnham House years ago in the 80's, but I can tell you that the list, as published, comes to well over £1300.

Wizard9999":2j1zk5dt said:
Yes, I think much earlier in the thread there was a request for specific makes to be specified when people put forward their suggestions. Seems pretty clear from what Rob has said that where this may be going is into a box and then the Axminster catalogue. Maybe there will be more than one option in terms of make for some items so people can fit the core tool kit to their budget.

My hope would be that if this is being aimed at students, extra cost would not be built in by specifying it with a fancy case, etc. to keep cost down, and that for genuine students looking to start a career through their studies there would be a very hefty discount on the package to support them at the start of their 'journey'. Otherwise I agree to the very significant question over the purpose of this exercise.

Terry.
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Spot on Terry. Makes of tools have not been specified deliberately as some of the items listed aren't, at the moment, stocked by Axminster. This is very much an academic exercise and may or may not go forward…I really don't know. If it does move on, then the tools which aren't available could be stocked and the whole kit offered as one package, with the possibility of different options for makes within it (i.e. LN or V planes etc). I make the assumption that there would be some sort of discount for bona fide students, but again, I have no idea what it may be, and wouldn't even like to hazard a guestimation.

So, to sum up, it's very much a 'watch this space' sort of affair now. I've done what I was asked to do (i.e. the research) and come up with some conclusions based on that research, so there isn't much more I can do, or say for that matter, until if and when the ball starts rolling - Rob
 
9fingers":3be2159o said:
Even I have some of the tools on that list Rob! :shock:

I even found some of them when tidying up prior to Terry's visit last Saturday.

No handsaw on your list? maybe more of a site worker's tool perhaps.

Bob
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You mean the No4 door stop Bob? :lol: Nope…no handsaw and no sharpening gear either - Rob
 
Woodbloke":2xbsyexz said:
9fingers":2xbsyexz said:
Even I have some of the tools on that list Rob! :shock:

I even found some of them when tidying up prior to Terry's visit last Saturday.

No handsaw on your list? maybe more of a site worker's tool perhaps.

Bob
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You mean the No4 door stop Bob? :lol: Nope…no handsaw and no sharpening gear either - Rob
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Yup a number 4 and even a 4-1/2 for windy days :lol:

Leaving out sharpening is possibly wise as it will depend on the trainee/trainer which methods they use.
Possibly something to get with the first months wages maybe.

Bob
 
Might just be me here, but surely the market for such a high end but basic (starter) kit is going to be extremely limited? Not saying I disagree with the list, but who is it aimed at in reality?

Random thought - given that this is a starter kit, and lacks several important components, would the plan be to expand the range with an 'additional' kit (or multiple kits)? Seems odd to offer two planes but no means to sharpen them, and unless they are very high end they will not work 'out of the box' and even then might require fettling if you are of the DC school of thought.

Realise you may not be able to answer this from an Axminster point of view Rob, just throwing out thoughts!

Steve
 
Interesting choice of saw in that toolkit. Personally I can't get on with a saw that hasn't got a stiffening piece along the top.
 
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