Dave's Shed project (progress)

[ScotlandtheDave]

2" timber for doors is way over the top. Too heavy, too expensive.

Noted! One extreme to the other on this project

 

[Jimmy Mack]

Dave,

Not sure if this is of use...If 'Selco' deliver to you ?

This months deals :

• Breather membrane 1mx50m £29.99 (I've clearly gone to town on this one!)
• 100mm Earthwool batts (6.5sqm2 cover) £19.99

(*prices ex VAT)

As you can see... I gave up on the roof ladder due to the additional work and material it involved and TBH working it out was giving me a bit of a headache, I think yours will be more straight forward.

I would definitely include some natural light, via a window, so much nicer to work to and good for general well being. Make some shutters for security and... evening privacy, when it turns into DISCO SHED!

:eusa-dance:

PS...44mm doors here, pretty standard for an exterior door and plenty chunky enough. You may want to pop some insulation in them...I plan to use 25mm polystyrene, or some left over Earthwool.

 

[Mike G]

.S...44mm doors here, pretty standard for an exterior door and plenty chunky enough. You may want to pop some insulation in them...I plan to use 25mm polystyrene, or some left over Earthwool.

Not 44 solid, though. Just the stiles and rails, I presume?

 

[Jimmy Mack]

That's right...just the stiles and rails. I see now, it's a Ledged & Braced design? With 25mm boards on the face.

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[ScotlandtheDave]

Not sure if this is of use...If 'Selco' deliver to you ?

It looks like they do Jim, thanks for the tip. EDIT - rats, they dont deliver the big stuff I've never seen them before, but they deliver nationally. I picked up a couple of rolls of earthwool cheap for the roof void, but batts will be better for the walls. The Seconds and co place have an office in Stirling, but dont store kingspan locally, so that avenue is closed unless i pay £30 delivery. The batts you mention might be a cheaper option.

On the membrane i have a 10% off code for Ebay to use tonight so going to try and get a deal on some TF200 100m roll. Assuming i only use 30m of it i can probably sell the remainder for 40-50 quid and I should get it for £90 delivered. If i do end up re-wrapping the building after a period of time i'll have almost half left over, so should be able to sell it on. I did look at various other membranes in 50m length, but by the time i ordered two it was almost the price of the TF200 anyway. I do like a deal

I also just finished processing the quotes i'd got for timber. Travis Perkins came in at £570, the top quote was a local woodyard at £600 and three other timber merchants came in at £370 and change. A staggering variation for the same product, so TP cannot compete at that price and i doubt they'll get anywhere near matching their competitors, so i'll be using a new supplier for the timber. I'm off to New York for a few days on Thursday, so will order when i get back.

The boring bits are almost out of the way, almost time to build! I do need to resolve my door detail, so off to research that on the interweb now.

 

[Jimmy Mack]

Shame about Selco, as it's a good deal on the membrane, but other deals to be had [emoji3]

You do right to fish for a good price, especially on the timber. I've found the variations in price to be quite a saving with a bit of digging.

You may be already, but I find it's worth checking on material deals way before you may even need them...for example, the roof tiles were a special May only deal... and perhaps a bit extreme... I bought my cladding exactly a year ago at an auction as it went for a song.... as well as a cubic metre of 1" 1/4 Euro Oak...which I'm still not sure what to do with!

Have a good trip [emoji3]

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[Dan0741]

Dave,

Just a thought, just as I had finished my framing, :twisted: I bumped into a mate who helpfully suggested that 4x2 comes in regularised form and also just plain sawn. Its not as pleasant work with, and there will be some here with much greater knowledge than I but it may shave a bit of the overall cost?

Personal preference i know but i like the idea of overhangs on the roof, I think it makes a difference to weather proofing, especially up your way.

Tarp - I bought one 8x5 meters, for 50 quid. I thought that was a lot, but given that it was on for much longer than i estimated and we seemed to have a glut of storms, and it survived intact, it might be worth spending slight more for a quality product should things take longer that you predict.

Windows - wouldnt be without, albeit a security risk. If security is important to you i would rather install further security to protect them albeit it might feel like belmarsh!

Cladding - I used Larch, its beautiful to work with and seems effective so far. It also weathers well if unpainted, just remember stainless fixings.

Great progress matey, keep it up. :eusa-clap:

Dan

 

[9fingers]

Another advantage of regularised timber is not only is it "nicer" to handle but the dimensions tend to be more consistent compared to rough sawn. So there is less chance of uneven surfaces on stud work construction using regularised.

Bob

 

[ScotlandtheDave]

You may be already, but I find it's worth checking on material deals way before you may even need them

too right Jim, sadly if i'd had m eye on Gumtree a month ago for membrane i'd have got a cracking deal on a roll of TF200 As it is i've got a 100m roll coming for £94.50. Hopefully i can sell the remainder on for a decent price to recoup some of this. On the plus side a slab of celotex came up last night for free, so hopefully i've got in quick enough to grab that

4x2 comes in regularised form and also just plain sawn. Its not as pleasant work with, and there will be some here with much greater knowledge than I but it may shave a bit of the overall cost?

Thanks for your input Dan / Bob, much appreciated! Plain sawn might be a bit cheaper but i've modelled the build on regularised timber, so I can't have real life deviating from the model, it just wouldn't suit my OCD On a more serious note i'm hoping that the model will form a reference for all my measurements, so the build becomes like a giant lego project. I know this is a potentially dangerous approach to work completely off a plan, but if i've done my sums right it should make things quicker and a bit easier. I have decided to put a window in too, just working out the details for this.

Looking forward to starting the build now!

 

[ScotlandtheDave]

Hi all,

Its been a few weeks since my last update. I've had a fair bit going on over the last wee while, so after completing the groundworks at the start of June I've been grabbing time here and there to tweak my model and resolve the finer details ready for a build starting in July when i'm on holiday. I know you must think i'm endlessly procrastinating, but I genuinely haven't been in a position to start yet. I also hate starting something if i dont think i can finish it so would rather wait for a while and focus completely on it, than dip in and out.

However, the good old Scottish summer has come in with a bang. Following several weeks of great weather in May/June the recent weeks have been, to put it mildly, pish. Its preying on my mind how much dry time i'll get, given my saw is 240v. even working inside a gazebo will probably be too dangerous .

Anyway, i can't start worrying about that just yet, so some pic-heavy updates for you all. I ordered my EPDM roofing material from here http://www.permaroofstore.co.uk/ along with trim and assocaiated gubbins. The kit looks good quality, but the trim looks a bit fragile as shown by the couriers effort to destroy it. Luckily i budgeted enough wastage to get rid of these chipped ends:

I've also selected a timber supplier and looking to get the best deal on timber, now i know what i'm buying. Looking to get stuff delivered in a week's time or so to start in earnest next Tuesday. It's funny what you forget though, only today i realised i'd not budgeted for 2x1 battens for fixing the cladding!

Speaking of cladding, i treated my wife to a night away at Crieff Hydro for our 7-year anniversary last weekend. It just so happens that one of the buildings on their site has the exact cladding i'm looking to put on my shed :eusa-whistle: Who said romance is dead?

I wanted to see how the product was installed and how its faring after being on for c. 6 months. I also wanted to see how they dealt with glazing interfaces etc.

Anyway, some pics below. I must have looked like a lunatic BCO on holiday, going round the building with a notepad measuring stuff and mumbling to myself :lol:

The cladding itself looks fantastic and reinforces my desire to use it if i can. it has weathered well and you can see it starting to go silver down where the rain has splashed back -something i'll need to consider.Boards do appear to be cupping away from the building to some degree, but i dont think its possible to avoid that with straight sawn boards? I did see something suggesting you should try to place them so they cup inwards, but you wouldn't see as much of the edge this way. The other thing they've used is 2 fixings from a nail gun every stud width, so 600mm or so. I thought 2 fixings was a no-no to allow expansion/contraction but maybe they've gone for brute force over nature

It looks like they've sliced through and through @ approx 19mm creating boards. I couldn't tell what the overlap was ( i think 50-60mm) but 11 boards was as least 2.5m tall, so averaging 230-250mm width per board. Not necessarily applied with precision but looked great when complete. Window details look reasonably straightforward, but its the door that concerns me. I dont plan to fit UPVC and would like to use the cladding on a door, but applying horizontally wouldn't look great and i dont think its possible to use this stuff vertically. possibly Larch T+G or feather edge?

I'd be keen to hear your view on this one guys. Roll on the 19th of July!

 

[AndyP]

i treated my wife to a night away at Crieff Hydro

Is it only me that imagines you spent the night in a power station!.

 

[ScotlandtheDave]

Is it only me that imagines you spent the night in a power station!.

She asked to do something to put the spark back in our relationship

 

[RogerS]

Oh, very good! !

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[Dan0741]

Dave those images of the cladding look lovely. Don't know how you got away with that, combining a shed research trip and a W/E away... well done! :eusa-clap:

I tell you what I do like - the windows. Do you know where they are from or any other details?

 

[Mike G]

An architect was involved in that shed. Architect's love chains instead of downpipes. I've even done it myself.

You know that bark will come off the waney edge boarding eventually?

 

[ScotlandtheDave]

I tell you what I do like - the windows. Do you know where they are from or any other details?

I dont know where they came from Dan, i was getting enough strange looks just mooching around without peering in the windows! I dont know who made the place sadly but i do agree they look great against the wood. Slightly out of my price range i'm sure too

Architect's love chains instead of downpipes. I've even done it myself.

You know that bark will come off the waney edge boarding eventually?

Yes, i assumed an Architect was involved Mike. I wondered initially what the chains were for but i assume its a low visual impact thing? They didn't spec stainless though, so it's all rusting

I know the bark will all fall off eventually, or more likely muttley will remove the lower levels for me first, but i do like the rustic edge. Bit contrary given i love infinite precision and sharp angles everywhere else. Have you had experience with green wood cladding like this Mike?

 

[Mike G]

Water spirals down downpipes, clinging to the walls. It also clings to the chain in the same way. The bonus is that they don't get clogged up with leaves.....but it's mainly just an aesthetic choice.

I don't have direct personal experience of green cladding, although I have seen lots. If I could off any advice it would be to make sure the laps are huge, and be prepared for some really big curls (cupping). The fundamental issue is that one side of the timber dries at a different rate to the other. I don't know what you can do about that, other than hose the building down during sunny spells!

 

[Rod]

Going to look very nice I'm sure

Rod

 

[ScotlandtheDave]

Hello all,

After a long break without updates I've got a bumper post for you. It'll be pic heavy so grab a cuppa and some hob nobs, sit back and marvel at the fact that I've actually put hammer to nail.

I wanted a period of a few days to make progress and earmarked the 19th July as a starting point - I managed to get my model to the point where there was no more to do but just get on with it. I'd checked and double checked all my dims and bill of materials, so just bit the bullet and ordered the timber- £500 worth. Here it is all stacked neatly and covered from the rain as it would be a week before i could use it:

The week prior to my hols was totally manic at work including a trip down south, but i did manage to grab a bargain on Gumtree for the window I've decided to put in. The chap was selling a batch of triple glazed frames for a tenner each but wasn't returning my messages about buying one, so i just took a flyer and pitched up in the area where Gumtree showed he lived. Luckily there was only two houses in the area so after one false start and a slightly perturbed seller, i had myself a bargain toughened glazed panel for the shed:

I measured the panel, allowed some clearance for it and modded the shed design to take its size into account. Bingo, I was good to go.

Before i started I took a wee trip to the isle of Ulva, a remote Scottish island in the Inner Hebrides. The place was lovely but the weather was absolutely dreadful. Luckily, i woke at 6am on Tuesday to this:

I got everything set up ready to go and starting cutting lengths for my framing just after 8am. I figured it was a Tuesday so most people would be up for work anyway

I made good progress but the weather was a bit too good, it was scorchio! I was sweating buckets not long after starting took a wee break to get my hands on some serious hardware:

I'm so glad i did, i don’t want to imagine how long it would've taken without it. They demand serious respect though, you could do a lot of damage with one. I soon was reaching for the ear defenders because it’s quite a pop from them.

By 10am I had both side frames done. With a good system going and the accuracy of the model it meant i was confident in what i was doing. This gave me no end of confidence in what i was doing too:

basically bang on where it should be.

By late afternoon i was really struggling with the heat, i think it was 27 degrees. I'd made far more progress than i thought i would, so drafted in the old man to help me get the frames up. Apologies for the dodgy neckwear in this pick but i was getting pretty sunburnt and wasn't too fussed about looking my best for the camera:

We managed to get all four frames up on the Tuesday and whilst the frames weren't 100% level on all axes, it was pretty much bang on.

I was chuffed with that for a day’s work:

Wednesday dawned a bit rainy, but was due to clear into the afternoon. The morning was spent sorting a shelter so i wouldn't have to rush around if the showers did reappear

I got cracking cutting my roof joists, but i was a bit concerned that the frame was quite wobbly at this point, even with the dwangs fitted. I expected the addition of the roof would stiffen it up and that was my target by the end of the week, as we had a week away from Friday.

It’s worth noting three of my mistakes at this point. One was an epic fail, one was lack of experience and one was a pitfall of working in the 3d world too long

My first mistake was a belter I'd dutifully cut my joists following my cutting list before adding them to the structure and checked the model to confirm the overhang using the set square:

Err, but my cutting list was bang on, the model says so...

You bloody idiot:

I'd mixed up the numbers in my head and didn't check. Measure twice, cut once? Never a truer word spoken. Anyway, it wasn't the end of the world, each joist was going to overhang 90mm less and in reality looking at the pic with the set square above i think it might have looked a bit daft with such an overhang. It was a lesson learned very lightly in the grand scheme of things.

My second mistake was a consequential error because of this. Because i was so preoccupied with my own stupidity i forgot to confirm the building was square before fixing the joists. I did confirm my now reduced overhang was consistent at both ends but this caused some issues later. However I think I managed to rectify it without too much drama.

My final mistake might have been spotted by eagle eyed viewers above. Look again at this pic:

See the joist closest to us lying on its side? That’s because the front face of the building doesn't reach all the way along i.e. this joist flies over the side wall with nothing to rest on. I'd always known I’d have to resolve this issue in the real world, but it took far longer than it should have if I’d designed the building so the front face ran the full length of the building. However, I’m sure i had my reasons which are long lost to the 3D world

Anyway, with my earlier mistake i was a bit lacking in confidence and felt the need to press on, so made an absolute dogs dinner of fixing the first "flying" joist.

I made a complete mess of it trying to fix it at the rear face only to find it was about 8mm lower than its neighbours. I really went downhill at this point, so used a lump hammer to bash it off, had a beer and calmed down for a bit. This was a direct consequence of not sitting the joists on the same piece of timber so had to find a solution. Not pretty, but with all that practice at skew nailing this effort was a bit better:

I'm surprised there was room left to get another nail in there :lol:

Crucially though i had the level at both ends right now:

As with most things, figuring out your approach is half the battle, so here's the other side which was a bit less sweary...

I was pretty drained after two days graft, but was looking ahead to get the most done with the weather window i had, so started coating the fascia board. This was far too deep at 200mm when all i needed was 150ish to cover my joist ends and provide a solid surface to nail the roof trim onto, but it was all i could find. The boards were annoyingly already cupped a bit too.

Anyway, that’s enough for tonight. Tune in soon for more progress on the roof! Thanks for reading, comments and criticism invited!

 

[Crispylettuce]

Wow that was a mega post. I'll bookmark that and read it with cuppa tomorrow morning!

 

[Malc2098]

Two cups, a plate of hobnobs, plain chocolate of course, and a rollicking good read!

Well done!

 

[TrimTheKing]

Always good to see the bits that don't go so well, as well as the successes.

Made some great progress there, look forward to seeing more soon.

Cheers
Mark

 

[Crispylettuce]

I think the mistakes and oversights (and solutions/fixes) are as useful as anything. When planning it is very easy to assume everything will go to plan!

 

[AndyP]

That's a lot of woodwork done in a day. Well done. You will be in by Christmas.

 

[MattS]

This is a great project, so useful as a building noob to have all your thought processes and mistakes documented as well as th good bits! The workshop is really starting to come together.

One thing it does definitely bring home is how much work is involved!

 

[ScotlandtheDave]

This is a great project, so useful as a building noob to have all your thought processes and mistakes documented as well as the good bits! The workshop is really starting to come together.

Thanks Matt (and everyone else whose commented) It’s great to know you are enjoying the build and my verbose style isn't completely off putting I genuinely do enjoy the work, with the only stressful bit being fighting against time, weather or solvent glue going off in the sun!

One thing it does definitely bring home is how much work is involved!

Yes, i think many people on here echo the same thing that when you work on your own the amount of faffing is extraordinary. I find even simple things like mounting a ladder with a piece of wood and forgetting the clamp to clamp it with start to wear me down after several hours My wife suggested a joiner’s tool belt for things like hammer, tape and pencil and should have invested in one, i can see why they use them!

Anyway, rain stopped play for another night, so time to catch up with a bit more progress. We had an epically biblical rain and thunderstorm at 4am this morning. The water was literally pouring off the EPDM!

So, Thursday 21st July was always earmarked as EPDM day. The weather suggested it was going to be dry and cloudy all day, so i had to make the most of the window. The first job was to unwrap my 18mm OSB and pray it hadn't hoovered up rain whilst it was sitting - luckily it was bone dry:

As with most things in the build it took me a while to find my system, because i was cutting to mm precision to ensure the roof would fit as per the model. I will say at this point that you have to be pretty confident you're bang on with your measurements if you do this, because you'll waste a lot of money if you don’t. I *thought* i was bang on, but a bit more on that later.
Anyway, after scratching my head for a bit i figured out a good system. I measured my distance from circular saw to the guide edge (exactly 37mm) taking into account the blade diameter (depends if you want to be waste side of the line or not - told you i was a nerd ) and found a nice straight baton to screw into the waste side of the cut on the OSB. I then cut along this line supporting the sheets until i got to the end. I happened upon a brilliant use for my laser measure which you can set in the pic below- i highly recommend these tools:

It allowed me to get real confidence that my cuts were bang on - this was cut to 812mm

So after a minor panic on the first sheet when I’d been pushing the saw too hard against the guide and made the blade twist (into the waste side luckily) I had a good system going and was able to get all 6 sheets cut to size in about 2 hours. It was time to get them on the roof and lay it out for screwing down. I hoofed all but the biggest sheets on the roof and again the old boy volunteered to help get the big sheets up. Here’s a first attempt at laying them out:

I had some 3mm packers to keep my gap consistent but it was all off square. At one end the overhang was zero, at the opposite side my overhang was about 50mm. Some of the sheets were also missing the joists when they should be dead on. It should have been 19mm all round to dovetail with the fascia board so it was all flush. My overall dimensions of the roof when the gaps were 3mm were literally millimetre perfect - exactly what i had planned.

I just couldn't figure it out and was starting to feel really frustrated with it. With time pressing on i needed to make a decision. The old boy was suggesting it was pretty much as good as i could get it and should just press on. However, i just couldn't bring myself to do it - it was too far off when everything had been so good so far. So, feeling a bit disheartened I abandoned ship for a couple of hours to help the old man nail up the frames for his shed using my hired nail gun.

It was only on my return with a bit of thinking time and perspective i figured out the mistake i alluded to last night - the building wasn't square. Remember i said it was a bit wobbly? It was - using my laser measure i could tell it was miles off square. My first action was to screw some big old 4*2 in place after giving the building a big shove in the direction it needed to go at either short end. This made a big difference to both the square and stability, so i started the endless process of adjusting all of the sheets to get it as square as possible on the roof to the joists. At about 7pm and three hours after i started adjusting them, i bit the bullet and screwed down the first sheet:

Another couple of hours later and i was done and shattered, but a lot happier with it. Not quite a "topping out" picture but not far off. You can also see my 4*2 brace in lieu of the internal OSB keeping the building square:

Here's a shot along the back wall where the gap had previously gone from 50mm at the near side to 0mm at the far side. It’s a fairly uniform 19-20mm:

Some of the joists weren’t perfect, but at this point it was definitely as good as it was going to get without serious intervention to remove almost the whole roof. The final task on Thursday was to roll out and position the EPDM so if it did rain on Thursday night / Fri morning it wouldn't leave the OSB damp. This was a pretty epic feat in itself as that stuff is heavy! Also, 300mm overlap is only 150mm each side, so in reality i only had about 5" on either side. Naturally, knowing me as I’m sure you do now, i had to have it near-as-dammit perfect, which i did eventually. Absolutely bonkers when you're going to remove all but 50mm, but if a job is worth doing... One thing that did help - my boo boo with the joist overhang meant I had loads of length front to back to play with.

So, Friday dawned dry but it had rained during the night, so leaving the EPDM over the roof was a good shout. I was due to go on holiday to the SW coast of Scotland that afternoon, so i knew i had to get the roof laid today, so the pressure was definitely on!

First order of business was sorting the rear fascia board so i could mount the gutter strip before adding the roof membrane. I decided to cut the board down from 220mm to 160mm as it looked a bit daft with all that overhang, so once again spent a bit of time figuring out the system and then cracked on to get them all cut using the circular:

I also had to go back to the drawing board for a bit as I’d modelled getting 5.1m lengths of board, but could only get 4.8's. This meant i had to figure out and then cut all the boards to ensure they ended over a joist face, more faffing but it was a necessary evil. Of course i had to have symmetry in the detail too, not small offcuts here :lol:

Next up was the "gable end truss" to support the fascia board, probably overkill but hey ho. 2 100mm screws through the joist and a 70mm through the roof deck meant i could swing on them and they wouldn't move:

I figured out another little gem at this point - my chop saw had move a degree or so off plumb, so all my cuts made that day weren't square :shock: Luckily I’d only cut the gable end trusses and the way they'd been done it wasn't noticeable. However, another valuable lesson!

At long last i had the gutter trim and fascia board in place. Annoyingly the roofing co said the gutter trim came in 2.5m lengths, but 2 of them covered my 5.1m roof. This meant the third piece of gutter trim, of which i only needed 100mm, was redundant

So, with time and weather holding it was time for the EPDM. I'd marked the deck out where the WBA should go and everything was ready. Rain was a constant threat so with my ever dependent father helping we set about it. WBA being applied:

A comedy moment where the roller departed from my pole, right as the pic was taken and landing in the gravel. A very loud expletive followed:

Finally, brushing the air bubbles out of the EPDM:

You can see some of the moisture left over on the roof and the microfibre i used to clear it up.

Next up was the bonding adhesive. This stuff went off really quickly and my poundland mini roller set didn’t last long and left a few souvenirs on the roof edge! Cue a very fraught 15 minutes trying to get that adhesive down before it went off completely. Nevertheless, we managed it and a final broom into place:

A finished detail shot - i was really pleased with how it went down:

And a wider shot to show the building - it’s really coming together now and crucially gave me a dry space to store materials:

At this point i was at least 5 hours overdue for getting away on hols for a week, but i knew i had to finish the roof and was fair chuffed at getting it done and the finish we'd achieved. We stapled the EPDM excess down to cover the remaining bits of the roof and the tarps kept the interior dry, so it was off for a well-earned break for a week!

Thanks to all for reading and commenting, it’s great to hear all your feedback and I’m glad people are enjoying this and taking something from it. I'll update on my progress since returning in the near future!

 

[Dan0741]

Excellent work Dave - fantastic progress. Enjoy the break.

 

[ScotlandtheDave]

Wow that was a mega post. I'll bookmark that and read it with cuppa tomorrow morning!

Two cups, a plate of hobnobs, plain chocolate of course, and a rollicking good read!

Well done!

I should have said, stock up on teabags and hobnobs folks

 

[ScotlandtheDave]

Excellent work Dave - fantastic progress. Enjoy the break.

Thanks Dan, much appreciated. Just so you know I'm writing retrospectively at the mo so I went on hols on 22nd July and have been back since 29th. I've just been slack at updating the thread! A couple more updates should bring me back into compliance [emoji1]

 

[Dan0741]

I understand, mines been slated a month (shh)

 

[ScotlandtheDave]

I understand, mines been slated a month (shh)

Get typing, I can't wait to see the finished roof!

 

[TrimTheKing]

Loving your write ups Dave, and loving the build. One thing I'm NOT loving though is that......you don't LOOK Scottish enough for my liking!

Cheers
Mark

 

[oddsocks]

Great updates Dave. Its a great feeling when you can first stand on your roof

Reading your updates brought back memories of my recent build, similar mistakes (I also got a measurement wrong by transposing middle numbers but fortunately that made the wood too long for me so easier to fix). I braced the walls with corner diagonals to keep them squareas they remained visible in the finished summerhouse, but remember how the diagonals of the corner to corner wallplate being out by less that 20mm caused some issues when fitting the roof rafters that had been cut to plan. By that time for me it was too late to resolve it so I had to cut the rafter lengths.

Hope you enjoy the holiday and don't spend too much of it thinking what you could be doing to the shed build.

Dave

 

[ScotlandtheDave]

you don't LOOK Scottish enough for my liking!

Just clocked this Mark is it the bronzed look from that single day of sun we had? We are trained to absorb sun at an exponential rate as its so rare [emoji23]

I've got a hell of t-shirt tan now...

 

[AndyP]

Hats off! Great job. Well done.

 

[ScotlandtheDave]

Hi all,

Our beloved Scottish summer weather has gubbed any sort of progress again tonight, so another wee update to keep you guys entertained

So i returned from my week’s holiday to find the shed still standing - good start! Whilst i was away i also purchased this little (not little) lot for the princely sum of £170 from Seconds and co. £40 delivery to Scotland was ok, considering the size of the pallet:

So, with a weekend of my summer break still left i cracked on with the roofing surrounds. First off, more paint on the fascia boards:

This is cuprinol black ash garden shades stain. It looks great and it’s great to work with. The wood grain shows though but the wood has a lovely shine to it. Quite happy with the colour too.

I didn't get many shots of the roof trim install because it needed 2 sets of hands, so here's a couple. The Trim was made of quite a brittle plastic and seemed to like to bow a lot. This was incredibly frustrating to work with for obvious reasons! The basic process was to trim the membrane back to 50mm, stick some foam on the inside of the guttering pieces to create a watertight seal and then nail through the pre-drilled holes into the fascia board. Except the holes weren't pre-drilled and the trim had some very annoying bends in it which made it difficult to lay straight/flat. So, here's a semi-finished corner below:

Not overjoyed with it because primarily the junction is not square - a consequence of a small overhang of the OSB on the fascia on the RHS and the fascia board being cupped. You can also see the fascia board joints are not 90 degrees either - i might well try to create some retro fitted piece to neaten this up a bit. Maybe cut 20mm off each board and fit a square profile piece like you'd do for the edge of cladding. Again an unforeseen consequence of working with a natural material in the real world

My hopeless attention to detail does mean the screws / polypins are nice and evenly spaced though. Check this for another bit of over engineering

Here's a quick shot of a vain attempt to straighten the gutter trim which would fit nicely on the Sydney Opera House:

Late last week my 34m2 of insulation turned up so the interior of the shed is a bomb site:

Its 70/80mm double foil faced board and more than adequate for my needs, so quite happy at this price and i might even have enough to sell a bit on and recoup some cash.

As with most things on the build i have spent quite a bit of time figuring out the best way to do things, or in some cases the least bad way... This stuff is not wonderful to work with if you have to make fine adjustments as you end up shaving off lots of horrible dust and leaving bad, rough cut edges. So rather than try to cut the shape the space is supposed to be, i cut accurately to height at one corner, shoved the board in as flush as it would go and scribed the other edges to cut with the saw. This works 95% of the time without leaving big gaps - here's a good effort:

However, Following Mike, Jimmy, Dan et al i bought a PU foam gun for a bargain 94p from Amazon using a cheeky £5 voucher I’d earned for something and some cashback i had left over, so will seal up all the gaps with this when I’m done. I'll be quite glad to see the back of this job though!

So that’s me pretty much bang up to date with the build! Last night i managed to get the final pieces of gutter trim fixed, so the roof is considered complete now - here's some shots:

The good old gutter trim with the ever present bend in it

The finished gutter detail

I am generally quite happy with the roof. First and foremost it is waterproof, which should be the primary function! I am also quite happy that it’s generally quite neat and the measured screw holes /nail holes please my symmetrical eye :eusa-dance:
However, I did notice a few bubbles in the membrane but the roofing co advised against trying to fix them as the material does expand very slightly in hot weather. Sure enough if you look at it in the rain it largely settles down. I'm not hugely impressed with the roof trim after all the faffing to install it, but time will tell if it works ok. The main this now is to get the insulation finished and get the vapour membrane installed, then get the floor done and the interior clad, before thinking about doors, windows, electrics and the cladding. Still lots to do!

Thanks as always for reading and for the feedback, enjoy hearing what you think so far.

Cheers

 

[Malc2098]

Looking really good.

 

[Dan0741]

Dave you make me laugh with your enjoyment re precision, isn't it weird it can give so much satisfaction - we are all a bit on ere odd I recon! :lol:

 

[Rod]

Pity about the trim - the stuff I bought was made of metal and arrived in very long, very thick cardboard tubes - I had to use a saw to cut them up to disposable sections ( the tubes that is).
My roof had a few bubbles - I think you have to be very lucky not to get any and I don't think it's anything to worry about as I don't suppose you will be walking on it very often? [emoji3]

Rod

 

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