John Lewis - simply the best

[stu]

To be honest Bob I find the whole vegan thing to be a myth, everything is tested on animals so whilst you might not eat or wear animal products if you partake in society you are part of animal cruelty albeit in a much lesser extent

Myth! I'm real, don't you know!

Something along the lines of meat production being the, or one of the largest polluters. Animal Cruelty, Health benefits. Oh yeah, and I get to be morally superior to meat eaters and vegetarians. :eusa-dance:

 

[Doug]

Myth! I'm real, don't you know!

I know sTu

Something along the lines of meat production being the, or one of the largest polluters. Animal Cruelty, Health benefits. Oh yeah, and I get to be morally superior to meat eaters and vegetarians. :eusa-dance:

Best of luck with that, though you are looking a lot trimmer these days mate perhaps it's working for you, apparently the doc says I need to give up beer & curries but Jonny won't let me :eusa-hand:

 

[9fingers]

Myth! I'm real, don't you know!

I know sTu

Something along the lines of meat production being the, or one of the largest polluters. Animal Cruelty, Health benefits. Oh yeah, and I get to be morally superior to meat eaters and vegetarians. :eusa-dance:

Best of luck with that, though you are looking a lot trimmer these days mate perhaps it's working for you, apparently the doc says I need to give up beer & curries but Jonny won't let me :eusa-hand:

Trouble is Doug, Donuts have been outlawed at the Chicken Shed! :lol: :lol:

Bob

 

[Doug]

Myth! I'm real, don't you know!

I know sTu

Something along the lines of meat production being the, or one of the largest polluters. Animal Cruelty, Health benefits. Oh yeah, and I get to be morally superior to meat eaters and vegetarians. :eusa-dance:

Best of luck with that, though you are looking a lot trimmer these days mate perhaps it's working for you, apparently the doc says I need to give up beer & curries but Jonny won't let me :eusa-hand:

Trouble is Doug, Donuts have been outlawed at the Chicken Shed! :lol: :lol:

Bob

Sacrilege Bob, I'm guessing there's no milk for the tea or coffee either :shock:

Edit, no sugar either if I remember correctly from my teenage vegan days :?

 

[stu]

Myth! I'm real, don't you know!

I know sTu

Something along the lines of meat production being the, or one of the largest polluters. Animal Cruelty, Health benefits. Oh yeah, and I get to be morally superior to meat eaters and vegetarians. :eusa-dance:

Best of luck with that, though you are looking a lot trimmer these days mate perhaps it's working for you, apparently the doc says I need to give up beer & curries but Jonny won't let me :eusa-hand:

Trouble is Doug, Donuts have been outlawed at the Chicken Shed! :lol: :lol:

Bob

Turns out that Co-op donuts are vegan! I'll make sure i get some in next time you are up Bob.

Doug - certainly lost a few pounds, but then I haven't got a Jonny to tempt me bscene-drinkingcheers:

 

[9fingers]

Trouble is Doug, Donuts have been outlawed at the Chicken Shed! :lol: :lol:

Bob

Sacrilege Bob, I'm guessing there's no milk for the tea or coffee either :shock:

Edit, no sugar either if I remember correctly from my teenage vegan days :?

Happily there is usually some milk around - consideration for the staff abounds. Dunno about sugar I'm diabetic so I don't use the stuff (apart from on Donuts naturally!)

Bob

 

[Woodbloke]

Re "Organic meat" meat that has slightly less antibiotics in than traditional farmed meat, hardly reassuring or worth the cost

Obviously you know this for a fact and can substantiate it? - Rob

If you care to read through the Scottish organic producers association standards you will find it in there,

This from SOPA:

"Organic Farming is about working with nature rather than against.
Organic food certification is enshrined in law - the ONLY legally protected food label that guarantees what you buy is what you eat.

Organic Food is Natural
If you want to know what is in the food you eat, the organic standards are very specific about what is permitted to be used in the growing and processing of organic food.

No Genetically Modified Organisms
No pesticides
No artificial fertilisers
No Cloned or artificial genetic breeding
No artificial additives
No hydrogenated fats
Organic Food is Green
All organic farms follow common practices such as long crop rotations and non-chemical pest & weed control. Organic farmers take a holistic view of their farm management, always aiming for balance. Careful planning is critical - there are few short-term solutions and a long-term approach is vital.

crop rotations provide habitat variety and support more biodiversity
contributes no fossil fuels in the making of pesticides and artificial fertilisers
stores more carbon in permanent grassland
recycles nutrients
more organic farms are GYO (Grow Your own) so they buy in less feed and fertiliser
Organic Food is Kind
all organic animals are Free-Range
organic animals receive fewer antibiotics
organic farming protects soil from pollution and erosion
there is more wildlife on organic farms because of the holistic approach to all elements of the ecosystem
organic livestock must be kept to the Five Freedoms"

Organically farmed animals are not allowed to be given routine antibiotics, but it doesn't say how much they are actually given, only that they receive fewer, presumably when they're required...is this then "slightly less''? It would be of interest to know exactly how much organically farmed animals are actually given in the way of antibiotics; I suspect it's a lot less rather than "slightly" - Rob