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Needle file holder experiment

AndyT

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For quite some time, I have owned one of these:

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I can't remember where I got it, but it won't have cost very much - I don't think they are particularly rare.

You can see that it has, in one handy tool, a tapered reamer, die and tap, with a middle diameter of about 3/8". Who would need one of those? Well, back in the days before electricity, anyone wanting something better than oil lamps or candles. Here's an entry from a 1908 Tyzack catalogue:

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That's my one in the middle. Now, don't get me wrong. I'm not going to start fiddling about with gas pipes and fittings. Even my 1890 copy of "Every Man His Own Mechanic" warns that gas fitting "if badly and inefficiently done may involve serious consequences" and is "best left to professional artisans" (before going on to say that the householder should know how to stop a leak or swap one light fitting for another.) So what else can I do with my little multi-tool?

I thought I would have a go at making a handle with a collet on, to hold needle files. It's not always necessary to have a proper handle on a little needle file, and I seem to have managed quite well without one, but it's an excuse to have a play on my old treadle powered lathe and see what happens.

I'll let the pictures tell most of the story.

Here's a bit of 3/8" brass rod in the 3-jaw chuck. I've swivelled the top part of the cross-slide round at an angle equal to the taper on the reamer. By using the little twiddly handles on the right to advance the cutter, it will make a taper on the rod.

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And so it does.

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You can also see that the work isn't precisely centred, but it won't matter here.

With the taper made, it was easy to hold the die in place, pull the headstock round, and cut a matching tapered thread.

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which I followed up with a bit of a neck, to make it easier for what will be the jaws of the collet to bend inwards.

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To make a matching round nut, I parted off a wider bit of brass rod and tried this old single knurl tool for the first time.

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drilled a 5/16" hole

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reamed it

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and cut it off.

Actually, I soon realised that I needed to shape the profile of the nut before trying to knurl it. Also, it needed to be smaller, and with a slightly larger hole.

Here's the central part, with a 1/8" hole drilled when it was still on the lathe, and some cuts down, hacksawed by eye.

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And here it is, with the mark 2 nut

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I then turned an offcut of ash to make a handle, with a 3/8" hole down the middle and the usual bit of copper pipe for a ferrule.

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And here it all is after some epoxy resin and a wipe of oil on the handle.

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So there it is. A bit rough here and there but it works. I prefer it if I manage to make use of my old tools, so this will do for me. A pleasant few hours in the workshop and a little bit of Victorian DIY that my old Grandad would have appreciated. :)
 
It looks very much smarter than my second hand wine corks :lol:

There's something satisfying about finding a new use for an old tool. I'm still trying to find a use for my patternmaker's plane ...
 
Nice job Andy and I do like that lathe! On my 'tuit' list to have a facility for spinning metal but I'm going to be hard pushed as there's not a lot of space for a metalmangling lathe, albeit a small one - Rob
 
Thanks all. I do feel very lucky to have that lathe. It's old, but complete and in perfect working order. A treadle lathe feels so much more forgiving than a powered one and really suits the way I work. As you can see here https://archive.org/details/c-nurse-and ... 2/mode/1up you could buy one from Nurse's in London for £16 10s in 1902.
This one cost me 6 times that much about 10 years ago and will see me out. :)
 
Where's the fun in that? Gashing your knuckles on the teeth you are filing is one of the key parts of the experience of saw sharpening. Along with stabbing the end of the non-handled file into the palm of your hand.
 
Woodbloke":1x9qk3p8 said:
Nice job Andy and I do like that lathe! On my 'tuit' list to have a facility for spinning metal but I'm going to be hard pushed as there's not a lot of space for a metalmangling lathe, albeit a small one - Rob

Come on Rob, build another dedicated workshop for metalworking. ;)
 
Woodbloke":358uimsk said:
Nice job Andy and I do like that lathe! On my 'tuit' list to have a facility for spinning metal but I'm going to be hard pushed as there's not a lot of space for a metalmangling lathe, albeit a small one - Rob
Rob you will need a very substantial and rigid machine for metal spinning. The forces involved are huge and very different from turning metal.
Bob
 
That’s a neat idea and it’s great to use old tools like those.

Aesthetically, and perhaps functionally, would it be better if the metal parts were set further into the handle (so that the nut is almost touching the handle as it tightens up)?
 
NickM":1l2hbu2v said:
That’s a neat idea and it’s great to use old tools like those.

Aesthetically, and perhaps functionally, would it be better if the metal parts were set further into the handle (so that the nut is almost touching the handle as it tightens up)?

Good point. I was so focused on how to actually make it, I didn't really think much about how it looks.
 
Well done Andy.
Note to self....
Stock up on gas fitters gubbins before this goes viral 8-) :D
Cheers, Andy
 
9fingers":z6hx0dgg said:
Rob you will need a very substantial and rigid machine for metal spinning. The forces involved are huge and very different from turning metal.
Bob
I meant of course a small mw lathe, not a 'spinning' lathe per se. I've often found that there's a requirement to machine small components for projects and a little lathe of some sort would be very handy. When Pete Newton was alive, he always kindly machined the little odds n'sods that I occasionally needed - Rob
 
Woodbloke":2vtpxx13 said:
9fingers":2vtpxx13 said:
Rob you will need a very substantial and rigid machine for metal spinning. The forces involved are huge and very different from turning metal.
Bob
I meant of course a small mw lathe, not a 'spinning' lathe per se. I've often found that there's a requirement to machine small components for projects and a little lathe of some sort would be very handy. When Pete Newton was alive, he always kindly machined the little odds n'sods that I occasionally needed - Rob

Ah well at least you have someone else local who is similarly equipped albeit not with as tidy a metal shop as Pete had!

Bob
 
9fingers":382u8kwi said:
Ah well at least you have someone else local who is similarly equipped albeit not with as tidy a metal shop as Pete had!

Bob
I recollect that if his Myford lathe bed wasn't covered in machine oil, you could eat your Sunday lunch of it! - Rob
 
Very neat idea Andy. Well executed too! I always find it interesting how ideas like this come together, from inspiration to realisation.

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Interesting project using the tools you have to hand. ;) You can of course make one of these with an ordinary tap and die if you don’t have one of these tapered thingies. :lol:
 
9fingers":e3twjkn4 said:
Woodbloke":e3twjkn4 said:
Nice job Andy and I do like that lathe! On my 'tuit' list to have a facility for spinning metal but I'm going to be hard pushed as there's not a lot of space for a metalmangling lathe, albeit a small one - Rob
Rob you will need a very substantial and rigid machine for metal spinning. The forces involved are huge and very different from turning metal.
Bob

I've got an old demonstration 16mm film done by coronet lathes, its amazing what is achieved on one of there major's. I would never think its possible to do metal spinning on one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_BwUFaloQI&t=8s
 
Woodster":1apcr3x8 said:
Interesting project using the tools you have to hand. ;) You can of course make one of these with an ordinary tap and die if you don’t have one of these tapered thingies. :lol:

Interesting. I've been looking at other similar collets on multitools and suchlike and they mostly look parallel. But doesn't something need to be tapered, if only by a much smaller amount?
 
AndyT":1mhrs8td said:
Woodster":1mhrs8td said:
Interesting project using the tools you have to hand. ;) You can of course make one of these with an ordinary tap and die if you don’t have one of these tapered thingies. :lol:

Interesting. I've been looking at other similar collets on multitools and suchlike and they mostly look parallel. But doesn't something need to be tapered, if only by a much smaller amount?

I have maybe a dozen pin chucks and tap wrenches and and they all have parallel threads. It’s only the nose that needs to be tapered. Here’s one of my tap wrenches. They’ve been made like this for many years, one of mine is probably 50 years old. I suspect it may be to ensure they don’t come loose by themselves?

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This is a video I watched a little while back of someone making their own.

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Thanks Woodster. Having started from "how can I use this old taper tap, die & reamer?" there's an extending series of projects that lie ahead of me!

That's a really nice clear video and I especially like the idea that the tapered end on an ordinary tap can be used to make the jaws of a collet close up just enough.

If I manage that, I could maybe go on to try and imitate one of this style of awl/multitool.

There's an external taper on the end of the collet, but it's reversed. A matching tapered internal thread cinches it down. To prevent the tightening action from feeling the wrong way round, a left hand thread is used. This has the extra benefit that the nut becomes captive, so can't get lost.

Shouldn't be too hard to make...:)

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I’ve got an old Exacto handle somewhere that I’ve used in the past for needle files. I’m sure it works in a different way, I’ll try to find it.
 
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