Woodbloke
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...better do as you're told then :lol: Looking forward to seeing the result! - RobTrimTheKing":369wkeaf said:but now my daughter is demanding that it be carved into a dragon’s head or similar, like a Viking longboat!!
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Hi all and welcome to TheWoodHaven2 brought into the 21st Century, kicking and screaming! We all have Alasdair to thank for the vast bulk of the heavy lifting to get us here, no more so than me because he's taken away a huge burden of responsibility from my shoulders and brought us to this new shiny home, with all your previous content (hopefully) still intact! Please peruse and feed back. There is still plenty to do, like changing the colour scheme, adding the banner graphic, tweaking the odd setting here and there so I have added a new thread in the 'Technical Issues, Bugs and Feature Requests' forum for you to add any issues you find, any missing settings or just anything you'd like to see added/removed from the feature set that Xenforo offers. We will get to everything over the coming weeks so please be patient, but add anything at all to the thread I mention above and we promise to get to them over the next few days/weeks/months. In the meantime, please enjoy!
New shed/lean-to - Hinging doors...?
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Added the raised tie above the door to give myself 2" headroom so I don't create yet another scar on the top of my egg like cranium!
You'll notice I've added the double lined door stud that acts also as a cripple stud under the raised tie.
I added another header in front of the raised tie to complete the door casement. I conserved timber by making this from two pieces as I didn't have a single piece long enough. Each piece is screwed right through in 6 places so should be fine... :eusa-pray:
And finally, a little view from inside out.
You'll notice I've added the double lined door stud that acts also as a cripple stud under the raised tie.
I added another header in front of the raised tie to complete the door casement. I conserved timber by making this from two pieces as I didn't have a single piece long enough. Each piece is screwed right through in 6 places so should be fine... :eusa-pray:
And finally, a little view from inside out.
Mike G
Petrified Pine
Mark, just checking..... Are the side wall plates strapped across to the gable plates? You need to imagine an elephant sitting on the roof, and think of what will break first. The vulnerable point is the rafters pushing the side walls away from the end wall, hence the need for strapping.
Yep, strapped on nice and tight.
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Coming on nicely, you could even hang a swing from that top piece, but that might upset Mike‘s calculations! I’m just imagining the stresses as it goes from one side to the other – probably not a good idea ha ha
SamQ aka Ah! Q!
Old Oak
Mark, are you SURE you want/need that much bamboo? :eusa-think: From experience, it is dire stuff once it gets out of hand...or even, once you plant it...
On the other hand, I can't see what adjoins your property!
Sam
On the other hand, I can't see what adjoins your property!
Sam
SamQ aka Ah! Q!":10v96i03 said:Mark, are you SURE you want/need that much bamboo? :eusa-think: From experience, it is dire stuff once it gets out of hand...or even, once you plant it...
On the other hand, I can't see what adjoins your property!
Sam
Hi Sam
That bamboo isn't too bad actually. Grows about 6' over a season and doesn't spread too wildly so it's all good. That area is just to the side of the workshop, between workshop and driveway wall, and you can just about make out a waterfall that comes from within the foliage and down to the pond. It needs a bit of work as it's been neglected for a couple of years, so that's on my list to get tidied and the pump relocated once the weather warms up a bit.
Woodbloke
Sequoia
Depending on the species, you're spot on Sam. We've seen the stuff grow in the Caribbean where in places it's totally out of control. I planted a small bit of supposedly 'non-invasive' bamboo in a large plastic water container to contain any growth and it seems to have done the trick. I certainly wouldn't plant the stuff 'free to roam' in my garden! - RobSamQ aka Ah! Q!":3i9vb1ry said:Mark, are you SURE you want/need that much bamboo? :eusa-think: From experience, it is dire stuff once it gets out of hand...or even, once you plant it...
On the other hand, I can't see what adjoins your property!
Sam
Relax chaps. The stuff you can see at the back of the picture, behind the palm, was transplanted there when that area was remodelled 8 years ago. The bits you see nearer to the camera are where it's spread in that time. Hardly rampant in 8 years so I think I'm fine for now. :lol:
Phil
Old Oak
Nice Mark.
Looks like a good place to chill out, view the garden and drink a few beers.
Make some noise now and again, everybody thinks you are working :lol: :lol: :lol:
Looks like a good place to chill out, view the garden and drink a few beers.
Make some noise now and again, everybody thinks you are working :lol: :lol: :lol:
still think the garden tools can stay where they are and this becomes the smallest pub in grappenhall.
the "woodmanglers retreat" seems like a good name for a pub, not sure where I heard it though.
or the "fingerless miller" perhaps?
the "woodmanglers retreat" seems like a good name for a pub, not sure where I heard it though.
or the "fingerless miller" perhaps?
I always thought Phoenix and Firkin was a good pub name.
As in phoenix my pint I'll firkin hit him.
As in phoenix my pint I'll firkin hit him.
we have the preston brook which affectionally became known as the pist and broke, which after a night on the ale there you often were.
I want to open a bike shop come cafe (because that's the only way to make money as a bricks and mortar bike shop these days) and call it the peddler's legs, purely so that someone, somewhere, someday will say, with a straight face " Just nipping up the peddler's legs, they should be open by the time I get there"
I want to open a bike shop come cafe (because that's the only way to make money as a bricks and mortar bike shop these days) and call it the peddler's legs, purely so that someone, somewhere, someday will say, with a straight face " Just nipping up the peddler's legs, they should be open by the time I get there"
Malc2098":2x2hg9aq said:Andyp":2x2hg9aq said:
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Haven't heard that one before. Brilliant!!
Takes me back to my yoof.
https://www.goodbeergoodpubs.co.uk/arti ... rkin-pubs/
So this weekend was a bit of a write off regarding this build. I went out on both days with good intentions of getting the roof slated, figured once I cut all the battens it wouldn't take me more than a day to slate the whole thing, it is only 8 square metres after all...
Well, I planned meticulously using this site as guidance (very handy, clear concise and easy for the layman), and laid out my battens to the 'correct' gauge (note the ' ' ...) and set to cutting the eaves row, confirming the spacings and fixing them.
Then...I realised that I'd mis-measured when fixing them and they were on a slope, so they had to come off again! Threw a hissy fit and went inside for a brew and to warm up the three fingers on my hammer hand that I had completely lost all feeling in despite wearing gloves (it was between -1 + 1 Deg C all weekend).
Back outside 30 mins later to take them off, breaking a couple in the process and re-fixed them in the correct place. Continued up from the bottom left corner, soaker, slate, slate, soaker, slate, slate, then... Realised that I didn't have the double lap that I'd planned! Not only did I not have the 100mm double lap I'd planned for, I literally had no lap! The bottom of row three only just reached the top of row 1!!!
Another hissy, another brew and warm and tried to work out what went wrong. Re-watched the video a number of times then it clicked, all his calcs are based on slates nailed just over halfway up...mine are top nailed! :eusa-doh:
Re-worked the batten gauge based on my new found information (175mm rather than the original 230 I had used) and called it a day.
This morning I come down, sort kids out for schooling, answer a few job hunting emails and LinkedIn messages and back outside it is. Off they all come again, only one breakage this time (well not all, eaves slate and row one could stay, it was the second slate batten and all after that needed to come off. Battens off and re-fixed in the correct place and start re-fitting slates (after confirming the double lap is there before fixing anything!!).
Most done then inside to warm, brew and sort lunch for kids, then back out and knocked the rest off. Still need to cut the ridge row and fix them but I'm in for a warm, a brew and to write this first.
Might leave the other side until tomorrow as the light's starting to drop and it's -1 with a gentle breeze, so might stay in the warm and do something with the kids instead!
Until tomorrow...
Well, I planned meticulously using this site as guidance (very handy, clear concise and easy for the layman), and laid out my battens to the 'correct' gauge (note the ' ' ...) and set to cutting the eaves row, confirming the spacings and fixing them.
Then...I realised that I'd mis-measured when fixing them and they were on a slope, so they had to come off again! Threw a hissy fit and went inside for a brew and to warm up the three fingers on my hammer hand that I had completely lost all feeling in despite wearing gloves (it was between -1 + 1 Deg C all weekend).
Back outside 30 mins later to take them off, breaking a couple in the process and re-fixed them in the correct place. Continued up from the bottom left corner, soaker, slate, slate, soaker, slate, slate, then... Realised that I didn't have the double lap that I'd planned! Not only did I not have the 100mm double lap I'd planned for, I literally had no lap! The bottom of row three only just reached the top of row 1!!!
Another hissy, another brew and warm and tried to work out what went wrong. Re-watched the video a number of times then it clicked, all his calcs are based on slates nailed just over halfway up...mine are top nailed! :eusa-doh:
Re-worked the batten gauge based on my new found information (175mm rather than the original 230 I had used) and called it a day.
This morning I come down, sort kids out for schooling, answer a few job hunting emails and LinkedIn messages and back outside it is. Off they all come again, only one breakage this time (well not all, eaves slate and row one could stay, it was the second slate batten and all after that needed to come off. Battens off and re-fixed in the correct place and start re-fitting slates (after confirming the double lap is there before fixing anything!!).
Most done then inside to warm, brew and sort lunch for kids, then back out and knocked the rest off. Still need to cut the ridge row and fix them but I'm in for a warm, a brew and to write this first.
Might leave the other side until tomorrow as the light's starting to drop and it's -1 with a gentle breeze, so might stay in the warm and do something with the kids instead!
Until tomorrow...
Phil
Old Oak
Looking good Mark! 
The C-U-F tends to let one waste a lot of time.
Although far too much time wasted on brewing and warming (bit of a wimp? :lol: :lol: )
The C-U-F tends to let one waste a lot of time.
Although far too much time wasted on brewing and warming (bit of a wimp? :lol: :lol: )
Phil":1u4za0fp said:Looking good Mark!
The C-U-F tends to let one waste a lot of time.
Although far too much time wasted on brewing and warming (bit of a wimp? :lol: :lol: )
Yep the CUF certainly had her input in this part of the build!
Normally I wouldn't bother with brews and warming, but I genuinely lost all feeling and control in fingers 3/4/5 on my right hand even though I was wearing thick work gloves. I could have stayed out longer but I wouldn't have been able to do anything, I couldn't grip the hammer! :lol:
I battled the urge to stay in the warm and went back out. One side now finished with top row of half slates completed.
I'll go back out to the workshop after tea and cut up the battening required for the other side and tyr and knock that on the head tomorrow.
Any thoughts on ridge detail? In the spirit of this being a build made of reclaimed, scrounged or existing materials I am loathed to buy anything unless I have to, but I know that I don't have enough lead to do the remaining soakers, flashings AND to do the ridge in lead. So do I buy more lead, or a few ridge tiles to match the ones on the workshop and do it properly to match that? Thoughts?
I'll go back out to the workshop after tea and cut up the battening required for the other side and tyr and knock that on the head tomorrow.
Any thoughts on ridge detail? In the spirit of this being a build made of reclaimed, scrounged or existing materials I am loathed to buy anything unless I have to, but I know that I don't have enough lead to do the remaining soakers, flashings AND to do the ridge in lead. So do I buy more lead, or a few ridge tiles to match the ones on the workshop and do it properly to match that? Thoughts?
Mike G
Petrified Pine
Don't forget the row of half-slates at the ridge....and don't forget to leave yourself access to the ridge (usually by leaving two courses off). I think you should definitely do a proper tiled ridge, but don't do it in winter. The mortar won't cooperate. That's a job for spring.
Mike G":14yubl1h said:
Thanks Mike
I’ve been out tonight and done the half-slate row so that side is complete.
Understood on the ridge. It should be fine with the slates and Tyvek beneath until spring yes?
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You can always use a piece of upvc guttering inverted as a temporary ridge capping. Long screws through into the ridge board.
Bob
Bob
Just seen this Mark. Looking good with the slates up!
Don't let anyone mock your hands. After 20 years cleaning windows at high level in UK winters I suffer badly from acute burning sensation now after a certain amount of time in real cold. Working today in the snow and wind was getting right on my proverbials. I just find it grim these days.
Anyway, I was actually writing in response to the bamboo. My mrs is the gardener here and I don't even get involved anymore (except to agree that yes she was right about that plant she put in after all. Lovely job). We have several varieties, I like the black ones, but a tip I might share that really helps is to strip the leaves of the bottom 1/3 or half of the stalks. It frees up the beds for low level planting and really stops them being overbearing. They just look nicer, more structural etc.
On unbridled growth, some species are worse than others. Any runners that come up should be terminated with extreme violence in any case if you want to contain them in the long run it's better to take a 'Stalinist approach' to weeding out troublemakers early on
Don't let anyone mock your hands. After 20 years cleaning windows at high level in UK winters I suffer badly from acute burning sensation now after a certain amount of time in real cold. Working today in the snow and wind was getting right on my proverbials. I just find it grim these days.
Anyway, I was actually writing in response to the bamboo. My mrs is the gardener here and I don't even get involved anymore (except to agree that yes she was right about that plant she put in after all. Lovely job). We have several varieties, I like the black ones, but a tip I might share that really helps is to strip the leaves of the bottom 1/3 or half of the stalks. It frees up the beds for low level planting and really stops them being overbearing. They just look nicer, more structural etc.
On unbridled growth, some species are worse than others. Any runners that come up should be terminated with extreme violence in any case if you want to contain them in the long run it's better to take a 'Stalinist approach' to weeding out troublemakers early on
Mike G":44nsti4d said:
Excellent, ta.
Oh Mark. -1C?
-5C in the valley here, so -8C where we are and dropping. Southern softie. Do take that in the gentle spirit in which it is meant.
Actually, I was up one of our roofs last year with our roofers (ladders and ropes, 15m height - at least one member on here will know the drill). It was cold. They came down every 20 mins so they could move their fingers. The lad had a mardy strop with his faither. Not surprised.
Keep at it. You are doing doing well.
-5C in the valley here, so -8C where we are and dropping. Southern softie. Do take that in the gentle spirit in which it is meant.
Actually, I was up one of our roofs last year with our roofers (ladders and ropes, 15m height - at least one member on here will know the drill). It was cold. They came down every 20 mins so they could move their fingers. The lad had a mardy strop with his faither. Not surprised.
Keep at it. You are doing doing well.
Chris101":20m18fuj said:Just seen this Mark. Looking good with the slates up!
Don't let anyone mock your hands. After 20 years cleaning windows at high level in UK winters I suffer badly from acute burning sensation now after a certain amount of time in real cold. Working today in the snow and wind was getting right on my proverbials. I just find it grim these days.
Anyway, I was actually writing in response to the bamboo. My mrs is the gardener here and I don't even get involved anymore (except to agree that yes she was right about that plant she put in after all. Lovely job). We have several varieties, I like the black ones, but a tip I might share that really helps is to strip the leaves of the bottom 1/3 or half of the stalks. It frees up the beds for low level planting and really stops them being overbearing. They just look nicer, more structural etc.
On unbridled growth, some species are worse than others. Any runners that come up should be terminated with extreme violence in any case if you want to contain them in the long run it's better to take a 'Stalinist approach' to weeding out troublemakers early on
Yeah it’s a weird one with my fingers, never experienced this before, don’t know if it’s from using the hammer maybe exacerbating it but very painful.
Needs must though if I ever want to actually use my workshop for the fun of making things and not just storing crap in! A brew and a warm every hour should see me right.
Good tips on the bamboo too. I really like that corner but Christ only knows how that palm is thriving as it is! That was a ground level palm when it was put in 8 or so years ago and it must be a good 10 foot tall now!
Tiresias":9e7adi4i said:
Haha, you definitely win that one, though with the wind chill my thermometer said the ‘Real Feel’ temp was -6. It’s actually okay out there with my fleece, jacket and hat on, just the fingers taking a battering, and only on the right hand which makes me think it has to be related to using the hammer as my left hand is fine.
Mike G
Petrified Pine
Tiresias":1qrhlvne said:
There are two issues with doing rooves in those temperatures, aside from the mild discomfort. Firstly, the tiles or slates stick together terribly. Secondly, scaffolding and battens can become extremely slippery, making the job pretty dangerous.
Here's an interesting little wind chill calculator.
https://www.wpc.ncep.noaa.gov/html/wind ... y_txt.html
A handy chart.
http://www.mountainsafety.co.uk/Weather-Wind-Chill-aspx
At 15 mph, (gentle really especially at ground level), O 'C will drop to minus 6.
What's REALLY worth taking into account is exposure time.
Now I grabbed this chart off the net so no guarantee of veracity and we're only looking at a tiny portion of the scale in the UK of course, but lots of the charts offer similar data. Safe to say it's based loosely on real data at least.
Any....way.... I've been cold and grumpy for two days. Can you tell? :eusa-violin:
Back to porches!
https://www.wpc.ncep.noaa.gov/html/wind ... y_txt.html
A handy chart.
http://www.mountainsafety.co.uk/Weather-Wind-Chill-aspx
At 15 mph, (gentle really especially at ground level), O 'C will drop to minus 6.
What's REALLY worth taking into account is exposure time.
Now I grabbed this chart off the net so no guarantee of veracity and we're only looking at a tiny portion of the scale in the UK of course, but lots of the charts offer similar data. Safe to say it's based loosely on real data at least.
Any....way.... I've been cold and grumpy for two days. Can you tell? :eusa-violin:
Back to porches!
RogerS":276o34ec said:
Nope, no whiteness and never experienced anything like this before. Just really REALLY cold fingertips on right hand. Ring finger cold to the point of getting painful, middle finger cold but not as bad, index cold but less still that middle.
Thumb and little finger chilly but okay. Everything back to normal after 10-15 mins back in the house.
Think it’s just because of the mix of cold, wind and hammering but it has concerned me slightly so will keep an eye.
Mike G
Petrified Pine
RogerS":30r4jfoi said:
John Stephenson, now high up in the MCC, was a colleague of mine at Essex. He suffered from Reynaud's syndrome. When he came on to bowl early in the season, his first couple of deliveries could go absolutely anywhere because he just couldn't feel the ball in his hand. Once one went sailing 20 feet over my head.
Slating finished. I think I’ll take Mike’s advice and leave the ridge (and the flashing) until it warms up a little, but slates along with the Tyvek beneath should keep everything dry for a few weeks.
Not to measure up for the featheredge and order that, some OSB on the front walls and some temp doors, then I can start moving crap into there from the workshop! Woohoo!
Not to measure up for the featheredge and order that, some OSB on the front walls and some temp doors, then I can start moving crap into there from the workshop! Woohoo!
:lol: :eusa-clap:
You're making a very compelling case Dave!!!
bscene-drinkingcheers:Nice and fresh out today so wrapped up warm. Done all the ones I painted yesterday so can't see me getting any more up on the shed today as they will need painting and drying in the shop first.
You can just see the little spacing jig at the bottom of the second photo, used to ensure the same overlap of the boards.
You can just see the little spacing jig at the bottom of the second photo, used to ensure the same overlap of the boards.