Stanley or Record No. 10 or 10-1/2

[Mike G]

Does anyone have one holding open a door, or otherwise surplus to requirements?

 

[Vann]

Does anyone have one holding open a door, or otherwise surplus to requirements?

Yes, I have a Stanley No.10.5 somewhere - disassembled - that is surplus. But I would suggest that shipping costs from NZ would probably kill any deal.

Interesting that Record use a standard No.3 size frog and lever cap on their carriage makers planes (No.010 & 010 1/2). Stanley, on the other hand, retained the older frog design from pre-1902, for the frog in their carriage rebate planes (No.10, 10 1/4 & 10 1/2). So if you manage to write off the frog in your Stanley carriage makers plane, you have to look for a very old Stanley No.3 for a replacement.

http://www.supertool.com/StanleyBG/stan2.htm

Cheers, Vann.

 

[Cabinetman]

Wasn’t sure which one that was so I looked it up and came across this strange looking beast, a quick look suggests second hand ordinary ones here sell for any amount, $150-500. Bonkers!
Ian

 

[Mike G]

Thanks Vann, very interesting.

That's a weird thing, Ian. Tilting handle and knob.........I guess that's to get your knuckles out of the way if working in a deep rebate. I missed an ordinary one on Ebay last week because I couldn't get online whilst I was abroad. It went for about £50.

 

[Vann]

...so I looked it up and came across this strange looking beast...

I believe Lie-Nielsen make a modern version of that 10 1/4 - complete with the tilting handles. I'm not sure if is has the nickers though (and can't be bothered looking it up :eusa-snooty: )

Cheers, Vann.

 

[Argus]

Flying on memory, that picture is a Stanley 10-1/4 which features the swiveling handles - useful for getting knuckles out of the line of fire when you're working into high corners. The 10-1/2 planes' handles were fixed.

A premium tool when it was made; according to Alvin Sellens book on Stanley Planes, it was described as a 'carriage-maker's plane'.

It was made from 1911 to 1942, when a lot of tools went out of production following the Americans joining the War. They would have been imported to the UK in those days and subject to the high import taxes in those days....... so rare and expensive here.
It seems that there were also corrugated-sole varieties which must be museum pieces by now.

The typical 10-1/2 planes by Stanley/Record were available in the UK and my own completely irrational preference for UK-made tools is for Record.

As with any rebate plane, it's essential that the blade overhangs the side (preferably both sides to allow fuse in both directions) by a small amount - say 0.5 mm, or a by thickish piece of paper - and a defined corner on the blade is maintained to ensure an accurate cut. Sometimes replacement blades are honed to match the sides, which is not a good idea.

. Good luck!

 

[Trevanion]

I'm curious about what you'd need one for Mike, would a No. 78 not work in the same fashion?

 

[Mike G]

The big rebates I am doing in green oak for my sunroom have shown up the limitations of all of my rebate planes. The 78, (and the 50) with the lever depth adjustment are very prone to adjusting themselves, and are very sensitive. Touch the lever and they go from taking nothing to taking huge chunks, or the other way around. My wooden ones are similarly hard to get properly set, and it's particularly annoying when you tap once too often and they're then set too deep. To back them out is quite a procedure. So I basically want a rebate plane which has a screw-controlled depth setting.

 

[9fingers]

I'd have thought it fairly easy to modify a no 4 to have offset handles/knobs.
Possibly modify a pair one left one right handed rather than solve the need for adjustment according to task.

Ah! maybe rebate planes need the iron to go full width of the sole - oops! But you get the idea.

Just goes to show my level of hand plane expertise :lol:

Bob

 

[Argus]

The big rebates I am doing in green oak for my sunroom have shown up the limitations of all of my rebate planes. The 78, (and the 50) with the lever depth adjustment are very prone to adjusting themselves, and are very sensitive. Touch the lever and they go from taking nothing to taking huge chunks, or the other way around. My wooden ones are similarly hard to get properly set, and it's particularly annoying when you tap once too often and they're then set too deep. To back them out is quite a procedure. So I basically want a rebate plane which has a screw-controlled depth setting.

Can't comment on the adjustment tensions in your planes, but the difficulty in getting accurate and very wide rebates is magnified by attempting to do it all to depth and width in one go.

If you have a plough plane, it can help to take some extra time and effort by dropping a series of deep grooves, say 1/4 inch or so wide, 1/2 inch or so apart - as much as you need - then slice down each one in turn using a conventional plane.
Doing this means that you can use a conventional plane or a scrub to hog out the meat, then refine the shape and sides with a sharp rebate.

A bit more work, but you have better control of the shaving and finish.

Hope this helps.........

 

[AJB Temple]

If you can bear to go electric, I can lend you a rebate plane has fine adjustment. A

 

[Mike G]

......Ah! maybe rebate planes need the iron to go full width of the sole - oops!...

Yep, that's the fundamental issue.

 

[Mike G]

If you can bear to go electric, I can lend you a rebate plane has fine adjustment. A

I'm hogging out electrically at the moment. It's the cleaning up afterwards which is the challenge.

 

[Blackswanwood]

Mike, Faithfull do one which is priced about £45 brand new. The joiner who put the trusses together for the roof in my workshop rocked up with a brand new one. I thought it would be pants but apart from not being sharp out of the box and a few rough edges on the casting it was fine.

Cheers

Robert

 

[Mike G]

Yes, I saw that Robert. If all else fails, I might just have to head in that direction, but I prefer to stick to Stanley or Record if I can.

 

[spb]

Not sure how helpful this is, but I saw a Stanley one on sale in Waterside Antiques in Ely last time I was there, and got kicked out for closing time before I could decide to buy it. Their hand tools tend to have a low-ish turnover so there's a decent chance of it still being there. That might be a bit far to go for a maybe, though.

 

[Mike G]

Thanks Stephen. I'll give them a ring.

 

[AndyT]

Mike, you might have more luck looking for a reasonably priced Record 778 or equivalent. This was an improvement on the Stanley 78 that you already have. The improvements included a screw adjustment on the depth of cut, similar to that used on some plough and shoulder planes, instead of the easy-adjusting lever.

http://www.record-planes.com/record-no- ... ter-plane/

These are much commoner here than the Stanley 10 or 10 1/2. You probably won't mind if it's missing a depth stop or fence.

The design comes from an earlier Woden model, but I think those have got a bit harder to find these days.

 

[Mike G]

Thanks Andy. The potential down-side of that design is that the handle is so close to the edge of the plane. Working with 40 mm deep rebates I can see issues trying to maintain a grip. The #10 at least has an inch for my flesh to fit.

 

[AndyT]

Ah. Now I see the point of the short-lived swivelling handles.

Have you considered a badger plane? It's a wooden plane, the size of a jack, with a skewed iron, exposed on the right hand side, to cut a rebate up to two inches wide. The body is generally about 3 inches deep so if your rebates are less than that, your hand is safely in free space.

 

[Mike G]

I've got a couple of wooden rebate planes, and ordinarily, they're great. But green oak can be quite gnarly, and I spend more time fiddling with the depth setting than I do planing. The key thing I'm after now is screw adjustment.

 

[SamQ aka Ah! Q!]

Hold the front page...I'm coming late to this, but I am sure I have a No10 Hybrid (Record/Marples) in my stock. I polished one side so that it acted beautifully as a chuting plane, but I haven't touched it in maybe 8 years, so Gawd only knows what shape it's in. Photos and details tomorrow Mike.

EDIT: FOUND IT!! Photos following.

 

[SamQ aka Ah! Q!]

Overall, it is 12.5" x 2". The blade says "W.Marples and Sons SHEFFIELD ENGLAND Solid crucible steel"

The blade has a reasonable amount of sharpening depth left, just in excess of 0,75", but the cap iron has no markings at all, nor has the body. So, dinnae ken if t'is a Record or Stanley pure-bred, I'll leave it to AndyT and Adidtat et al to cast nasturiums on its lineage. The side away from the camera is mirror polished, where I used it as a chuting/shooting plane for a short time and also as a wee experment into time/effort to utterly fettle a plane.

I just gave it a trial run over some mahogany scraps and it performed well.

'The Bay of Plenty' (Thank you, NoLegs) has several complated listings at circum £60, plus postage, which, I am guessing, will be around a fiver. However, this one needs at least a coat of shellac on the handle and a general scrub up, so, £60 posted? How does that suit you MikeG?

 

[Mike G]

Brilliant, Sam. Thanks. I'll send you a PM.

 

[SamQ aka Ah! Q!]

Hunnh...i no sooner sell one than another (supposedly rare) one pops up just down the road...


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