Storing water-based paint

[RogerS]

It's a good idea to place one side of a carrier bag on top of the open tin before putting the lid on.

I've found that it doesn't take long for the inside rim of these tins to start to rust which then gets into the paint.

 

[Mike G]

Good tip for steel tins. Also a good tip in the event of losing an O ring on the lid of a water bottle or jerry can. Lots of paint is sold in plastic "tins" these days, so not all water based paint needs this treatment .

 

[DaveL]

I had the bottom of a steel tin rust though, I was too vigorous stirring the tin to get the separated pigment back into the finish. I caught it just before the contents dribbled down the shelf. Plastic tin are definitely the best for water based finishes.

 

[AndyP]

I've recently had to chuck out about a 1/3rd of a tin (plastic) of emulsion. Probably stored for about 3 years. It had undeniably gone off. It stank to high heaven and was covered in mould. Seal on the lid appeared to be good. I have noticed in the past what appears to be condensation on the inside of plastic tubs. Is this likely and the probable cause of paint going off?

 

[RogerS]

I've recently had to chuck out about a 1/3rd of a tin (plastic) of emulsion. Probably stored for about 3 years. It had undeniably gone off. It stank to high heaven and was covered in mould. Seal on the lid appeared to be good. I have noticed in the past what appears to be condensation on the inside of plastic tubs. Is this likely and the probable cause of paint going off?

I think the going off is more likely to do with it being water-based. The condensation you see is indirectly related as it's water that's come out of the paint. Shelf-life of water-based paints is pants. In fact, IMO. water-based paints are pants and of them all Farrow-and-Ball are the skankiest pair you can find!

 

[9fingers]

Apart from traditional emulsion paint for internal use, I've not found water based products, paints, stains or varnishes that behave satisfactorily.
Devil of a job getting them laid off to a decent finish as they dry too quickly, stains go streaky, coloured varnishes don't go on evenly.

I'm afraid the first think I look for on the tin is "high in VOCs"

Bob

 

[RogerS]

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I'm afraid the first thing I look for on the tin is "high in VOCs"

Bob

:eusa-clap:

 

[AndyP]

Apart from traditional emulsion paint for internal use, I've not found water based products, paints, stains or varnishes that behave satisfactorily.
Devil of a job getting them laid off to a decent finish as they dry too quickly, stains go streaky, coloured varnishes don't go on evenly.

I'm afraid the first thing I look for on the tin is "high in VOCs"

Bob

I whole heartedly agree. Only ever use emulsion on internal ceilings and walls and only ever buy in UK.

 

[9fingers]

Apart from traditional emulsion paint for internal use, I've not found water based products, paints, stains or varnishes that behave satisfactorily.
Devil of a job getting them laid off to a decent finish as they dry too quickly, stains go streaky, coloured varnishes don't go on evenly.

I'm afraid the first thing I look for on the tin is "high in VOCs"

Bob

I whole heartedly agree. Only ever use emulsion on internal ceilings and walls and only ever buy in UK.

I have another friend in France who also only uses UK emulsion - strange how quality varies even between adjacent countries.

Bob

 

[RogerS]

Apart from traditional emulsion paint for internal use, I've not found water based products, paints, stains or varnishes that behave satisfactorily.
Devil of a job getting them laid off to a decent finish as they dry too quickly, stains go streaky, coloured varnishes don't go on evenly.

I'm afraid the first thing I look for on the tin is "high in VOCs"

Bob

I whole heartedly agree. Only ever use emulsion on internal ceilings and walls and only ever buy in UK.

I have another friend in France who also only uses UK emulsion - strange how quality varies even between adjacent countries.

Bob

I expect that there is an army of Euro-crats beavering away to put a stop to that, even as I type :eusa-whistle:

 

[9fingers]

Happiness is .......


Taken from a 2.5l tin of PU varnish that arrived this morning

EU VOC limit 400g/l , this product is 396g/l 99% of the maximum. Lovely well behaved stuff going onto my bookcase project.

Bob

 

[Tusses]

oh the irony !

I have stuff rotting all around me as I have some old original creosote .. which is now saved for best ! lol

I have some old original Nitromorse .. saved for the same !

none of the "new" products are as good IMHO

 

[AndyP]

I can remember my grandad "painting" his front garden fence with the used engine oil from my uncles cars. It was dual purpose. 1) excellent protection.
and 2) it smelt so awful it prevented people from loitering and leaning on the fence.

 

[9fingers]

oh the irony !

I have stuff rotting all around me as I have some old original creosote .. which is now saved for best ! lol

I have some old original Nitromorse .. saved for the same !

none of the "new" products are as good IMHO

You can still buy full strength creosote in UK 25l drums

google for "bird brand creosote"

Bob

 

[AndyP]

Gotta love their authentication box to ascertain if you are a professional user or not.

 

[Tusses]

I knew you could get it for trade use .. I just expected you would need a trade account or some proof ?

or just type "yes" where it asks you if you are a proffessional user ? :lol:

 

[9fingers]

They don't give a stuff. As long as they have a record that everyone they sell to is trade they are covered for any audit.

It is the same with cash and carry's and Costco. you can get in with the flimsiest of trade ID. Print a letter heading off in word, get some business cards for a fiver and you are in.
Costco asked me for a bank statement and never followed it up and that was 3 years ago and I've never shown them one.

Bob

 

[Tusses]

Ah Costco .. we have an account there .. sometimes we just pop in if passing, for the free food samples and cheap canteen :lol:

 

[9fingers]

Ah Costco .. we have an account there .. sometimes we just pop in if passing, for the free food samples and cheap canteen :lol:

I have taken the wife out to lunch there a few times but she is not always that impressed! The food is fine but it does not seem to count as "taking her out" for some reason. Even when I suggest it is killing two birds with one stone it does not seem to help :lol:
Strange lot women!

Bob

 

[Tusses]

:lol:

 

[DaveL]

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[wallace]

Bob that creosote you mentioned is it the real I am. The stuff I get local doesn't even smell like creosote.

 

[9fingers]

Bob that creosote you mentioned is it the real I am. The stuff I get local doesn't even smell like creosote.

Yes it is the mutts nuts. It will blow your head off if you stick your nose in the drum and breathe too hard!
Two versions, one that will go brown relatively quickly and the "black as your hat" type which is just starting to fade on my workshop after 10 years facing the sun.

You need to be careful not to splash it on your skin especially if it is sunny when using it as I got burned.
If there is no wind then it sprays well - use a cheap HVLP as it can make the O ring seals swell but they do go back later. I just kept spraying until it would take no more.

About 50 foot x 9 foot had nearly 40 litres of the stuff. It will not be rotting :lol:

hth

Bob

 

[Tusses]

and when using it .. wear clothes that you can burn afterwards ! :lol:
it stinks for months !

awesome stuff though !

 

[AndyP]

I wonder what customs (both sides) would think if they spied it in the back of the car. Tempted to try.

 

[9fingers]

I wonder what customs (both sides) would think if they spied it in the back of the car. Tempted to try.

Is Creosote outlawed in France too Andy? It is fashionable here to blame any nanny state rules/ban on the EU but I honestly know where the UK band stems from as it can still be used by professionals but not by joe/jane public.

Bob

 

[RogerS]

I wonder what customs (both sides) would think if they spied it in the back of the car. Tempted to try.

Just tell them it's French coffee :lol:

 

[DaveL]

As a teenager I made fence panels to earn pocket money. We had a tank 8 ft square and 18 inches deep that was half full of the real stuff, at the end of Saturday we would dunk the new panels into it for a few minutes. We had a draining rack on which they were stood to drip dry. If the colour was a bit light then old engine oil was added to the tank. I don't remember anyone ever complaining their fence had rotted.

 

[Rod]

It might be good as a protective but it's been banned for a long time with most tar products as they are carncegenious - the nasties leach into ground water, then into rivers killing fish, wildlife etc.
Whenever tar products were disturbed in highway schemes the tar macadam for example had to be removed and taken to special tips.
Tarmac is no longer used and has been replaced with Bitumen or asphalt products.
I'm surprised they still allow professionals to use it?

Rod

 

[AndyP]

I wonder what customs (both sides) would think if they spied it in the back of the car. Tempted to try.

Is Creosote outlawed in France too Andy? It is fashionable here to blame any nanny state rules/ban on the EU but I honestly know where the UK band stems from as it can still be used by professionals but not by joe/jane public.

Bob

I would image so Bob, certainly only the "natural" substitutes are readily available. If it was available to professionals then authentication would be less lax with Comapny reg Numbers etc being required.

 

[Tusses]

It might be good as a protective but it's been banned for a long time with most tar products as they are carncegenious - the nasties leach into ground water, then into rivers killing fish, wildlife etc.
Whenever tar products were disturbed in highway schemes the tar macadam for example had to be removed and taken to special tips.
Tarmac is no longer used and has been replaced with Bitumen or asphalt products.
I'm surprised they still allow professionals to use it?

Rod

Interesting Rod .. I assumed it was just the danger to the user, as it was still available.
Also, didn't know about Tarmac ! ..

I can see another couple of hours lost googling(learning!) :lol:

 

[wallace]

I always remember using it when I was a kid and remember the irritation if you got splashed and your clothes stank. The stuff local is called creocote and is pants

 

[Rod]

In 2008, the Environmental Protection Agency completed a reassessment of creosote and other wood preservatives. The EPA concluded that although creosote is a potential health risk, especially for workers in wood-treatment plants, its value as a preservative outweighs the risks, and the agency allowed its continued use as a pesticide, provided that all safety and handling guidelines were followed in its manufacture and use. The EPA did, however, specify that creosote only be used in commercial applications and not in residential contexts.

Rod

 

[AndyP]

I guess that the EPA concluded that a farmers and professional would be far more responsible in the way they sloshed it about. Certainly not by experience as far as farmers are concerned.