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Technology, upgrades and time to simplify?

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Technology, especially computers, is supposed to make our lives easier. Discuss.

I've been mulling this recently following various abortive but ultimately successful upgrades to the iMac. I can see for a tiny tiny number of road warriors that being 'connected' (whatever that means) has to be a good thing. Moving between hotel, car, airport lounge, train the ability to be able to access documents, emails, is clearly useful for some. But we did have a lot of this before. Just seems to me to be overly complicating things now especially as the Mac and its operating system seems to be also moving down the Microsoft route of making things more and more like a touch screen smartphone. For instance, one of the strap lines on the iMac is the 'ability to start working on a document on your iPhone and then carry on from where you left off when you get into the office on your iMac or hotel room on your iPad. But that seems to me of benefit to even fewer people. But the thing is it has knock-on effects on the rest of us. We get shoved in this direction whether we like it or not.

Upgrading all of these devices also becomes a chore because even if you buy them all at the same time and resist the temptation to constantly upgrade as each new iOS or OS upgrade comes along, there will come a time when iPod X is no longer compatible with iPhone Y or that software package has quirks depending on device that renders the key feature that you bought it for useless. So you gradually get out of sync across your devices until you have to bite the bullet and go out and buy them all again. And start the merry-go-round all over again.

The same equally applies to TVs and associated gubbins. We are still watching quality pictures on our plasma screen. We have four PVRs of differing vintage. SWMBO has her beloved TiVo (that for rescued from the technology graveyard by a group of altruistic guys who created an alternative EPG to that provided by TiVo when they pulled the plug in the UK a few years back). I have the Humax and a Hitachi. Both of which have their foibles. But all connected via SCART. No HDMI.

Then we have our Sony Home Cinema system connected to the TV. Equally of elderly vintage...think 20 years. The DVD player is starting to die (probably the laser) again. I've been nursing this device by buying secondhand units from eBay. It is a sod to repair..all DC digital switching amp. Leave something disconnected and if you;re not careful you fry something else. But it is coming to the end of its life and to be fair we have had our money's worth. Only it's not just a simple case of swapping out the DVD/amp because the Sony speakers are 3 ohm and not many (if any) amps these days will drive that low. So we're looking at replacing the whole system. Which may no longer have a SCART. So a SCART to HDMI adapter? Lots of them? At least SWMBO is remarkable in this respect as her view is ditch the lot and buy new...woo hop :obscene-drinkingcheers: Only. Only, even though I took an active interest in all this once upon a time, I am HDMI/BluRay/WhizzyWok/TechnoFudge'd out. Dipping in briefly to the quagmire a few months back I found it hard to distinguish between manufacturer's proprietary 'Things to make your life EASY (aka difficult)' and industry standard. We shall get there. Just that somehow I resent the time spent on doing this....very strange and not quite sure why I find myself thus.

Actually, SWMBO epitomises the use of KISS most eloquently. TiVo has just the one channel. She never keeps stuff on it. It's either fast-forwarded or deleted. Her mobile phone is never switched on. She prints out most stuff from her iMac and files it! She most definitely keeps technology at arms length. Maybe I should learn from her?

But then who is going to fix it all when it goes belly-up?

[/musings for a Tuesday morning]
 
Simplicity seems to be the thing that decides whether something gets used or not by my wife. If there are too many things to turn on and have settings changed to make them work she doesn't want to know.

With that in mind I've arranged our home media to be a wife friendly as possible. All our music and video is on a home server. There are no CD's or DVDs. A small intel NUC computer runs openelec xbmc and is connected by HDMI to a surround sound receiver. The receiver connects to the TV via HDMI. For live TV the Virgin Tivo connects to the receiver too.

My wife is a smart phone user so apps are no problem. One app controls xbmc and another app controls the Tivo recordings. Add a Logitech harmony programmed remote control to do all the input switching and I've achieved simple.

I've never got on with Apple kit. I had an iphone and an ipad for a couple of years and trying to control non apple things with it was often not possible. Seemed to me that if you want to control more stuff you had to buy an Apple version of the thing to be controlled. Life is much better now with Android.

Cloud to me is a new name for files on a server. Sharing documents etc everywhere is not something I need.
 
Interesting comment but surely an awful lot of technology there to basically play some music? I am going back to simply picking up a CD and playing it! That's simple ;) :)
 
I've got 4k plus of those 12" black round shiny things in lovely card covers! [emoji3]

Just upgrade my laptops HD - took less than 10 mins to install but looks like a couple of days to transfer back the data? My Maverick OSX boot up disc (made yesterday) wouldn't work so using Time Machine!!

Rod
 
Capitalism, or consumerism is too blame.
We live in a world where the economies and therefore our livelihoods are in some way or another connected to the success of large multinational companies who can only remain successful if they grow their business every year. How do they make sure they make more profit this year than last? The answer is obvious. Built in obsolescence. Easier to disguise as software upgrades, or hardware compatibility issues rather than objects just failing and not being able to repair, although this happens too.

The cynic in me would makes me believe governments are aware of this and keep coming up with new fangled rules and regulations that also result in products needing to be replaced sooner rather than later.

I am afraid therefore we either accept it or die of frustration and anger. Or perhaps live totally off grid, work next door to where we live, learn to make our own music and write letters by hand.

I remember the father of a friend of mine from Normanton, Yorkshire who could never quite understand technological progress ( and this was back in the 80s ) . "How cum we can put man on t' moon but it still takes 2 hours to get to Wakefield on t' bus".
 
Roger.

1-Run a bath

2-Place phone on "vibrate"

3-Place phone on edge of bath

4-Ring phone

You have a 50/50 chance of improving your life immeasurably.

:D
 
Mike G":25m14djx said:
Roger.

1-Run a bath

2-Place phone on "vibrate"

3-Place phone on edge of bath

4-Ring phone

You have a 50/50 chance of improving your life immeasurably.

:D
:text-+1:
Agreed Mike. The world will still keep spinning without all the technogeeekie stuff :lol: I took my MacBook on me hols recently, only for the purpose of uploading and editing pics each day. We had a wifi connection at the hotel so I was able to see and reply to work emails…mostly to tell the senders where I was, how I was suffering with the heat, that I needed another beer and that I wouldn't do anything about their stuff till I got back to the UK - Rob
 
Woodbloke":3t992y6p said:
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Agreed Mike. The world will still keep spinning without all the technogeeekie stuff :lol: I took my MacBook on me hols recently, only for the purpose of uploading and editing pics each day. We had a wifi connection at the hotel so I was able to see and reply to work emails…mostly to tell the senders where I was, how I was suffering with the heat, that I needed another beer and that I wouldn't do anything about their stuff till I got back to the UK - Rob

Spot on there. When we went to Japan a couple of years back I knew that I needed someway of backing up our photos. I'd taken a laptop with me a few years before that and burned stuff to CD as a double backup but thought the laptop too heavy. So I bought a secondhand iPad in the January. Tested it all out. Worked out how to upload stuff to the web. Carried on doing daily stuff. Fast forward to May when we were due to fly out and I had to hunt out the iPad as it was buried underneath a whole pile of stuff. Just simply had no use for it until the holiday.

Sold it when we got back!
 
RogerS":1osaa7qc said:
Interesting comment but surely an awful lot of technology there to basically play some music? I am going back to simply picking up a CD and playing it! That's simple ;) :)

If it were just music and ripped DVDs then yes. All our home videos are on the server as are all our photos - including all the old pre digital ones that have been scanned in.

We just tap a button in an app to watch any home movie, View pictures from any holiday, play music or radio/internet radio at the same time, watch internet sources like iplayer and the rest. And we don't have cases of discs and tapes to rummage through to find something.

Having it all on a server the same content is available anywhere in the house. The server backs up all our PC's automatically and it also means that having a backup of the server kept off site everything could be restored in the event of disaster.

I don't have longings for simpler times. Technology has made it all simpler... when it works, which so far is pretty much all the time.
 
My wife would like to have things on a server and get rid of our DVD collection but it's another TUIT?
Some of the films I've bought recently have a UV code so we are able to view them via the cloud - that was great when I was in hospital to while away the time.

I use my iPad all the time - I consider it to be one of the best things I've ever bought gadget wise. As I am retired, the need to use Microsoft Office etc has greatly diminished so my MacBook and PC now only get occasional use - mainly for processing photos and videos and writing the odd letter.
The iPad is much smaller, lighter and easier to take about (especially on holiday) and does nearly everything I need from a "computer".
I can sit with my wife whilst she's watching TV and communicate with you folks via Tapatalk [emoji3] or check my mail, write emails, send texts, read the news and sport updates, read books, check things out on the web, buy things online etc etc . Or if I want to be anti social, go to another room and watch live TV, films, music, videos, etc.

Rod
 
Rod":1hgmkhza said:
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The iPad is much smaller, lighter and easier to take about (especially on holiday) and does nearly everything I need from a "computer".
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Rod

Do you not find your productivity tippy-typing finger by finger goes out the window? I tried one and found it so awkward to use for anything more than the odd browse TBH.

Robert..I disagree that technology has made things simpler. Let me ask you this question. Did you buy everything and connect it all together and turn it on and it worked? I'd be very surprised if it did. Did you not have to fiddle about setting parameters etc to get it all to work in the first place? What happens when it needs upgrading? or one part needs upgrading but then is out of sync with the rest?
 
possibly I'm being a little unfair thinking it was easy as I've always been 'the computer guy' but it was all pretty simple to set up. The library function of xbmc took a bit of head scratching to sort out but once done it shows things laid out in a very logical way on any device you use to control the system.

Yes there was plenty of reading various web sites to work out how to go about it and research the best kit (price vs performance) to achieve the goal but the geek in me kind of likes that.

The main objective though has always been to end up with something easy to use by someone that doesn't know how it works - and I have.
 
Just buy Apple, and stay up to date - it's great!

...But expensive.

BugBear
 
bugbear":nsdsn2wb said:
Just buy Apple, and stay up to date - it's great!

...But expensive.

BugBear

I know and now with the restrictions being lifted on the amount one can take out of the pension pot, the temptations soon mount up.
 
bugbear":2zuc82y0 said:
Just buy Apple, and stay up to date - it's great!

...But expensive.

BugBear
…and having changed from Windoze to an iMac when I retired, I'd rather stick pins in me eyes than revert back - Rob
 
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