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The Orangerie - duff glass-fibre-coating REPAIRED

Thanks Roger I have enjoyed reading your experiences both good and bad and I appreciate your perseverance.

I am not to far away if you ever get stuck for an extra pair of hands well when I say pair I do have one good one. :D
 
MY63":12shht53 said:
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I am not to far away if you ever get stuck for an extra pair of hands well when I say pair I do have one good one. :D

That's very kind of you and the offer is reciprocated.

Current status :

Weather too cold for the fibreglass to cure and/or any linseed oil to be applied. I'd like to do the rafters but am being nagged to do some work indoors by 'er indoors.
 
My workshop started a 7 degrees this morning, but then I'm well 'ard, I think.

Moving around and a little convector actually soon warms it up enough to switch it off.
 
Malc2098":2t7w2a84 said:
My workshop started a 7 degrees this morning, but then I'm well 'ard, I think.

Moving around and a little convector actually soon warms it up enough to switch it off.

The limiting factor is chemical and not human !
 
Is that just the covers damaged though Rog? Not the actual structure?

I know it’s disheartening but your a hardy soul, you’ll get there mate!
 
TrimTheKing":23c4z08s said:
Is that just the covers damaged though Rog?

Yes. I released a lot of them as I feared that the scaffold might lift and/or tilt. But it's no longer waterproof, the structure is not in a fit state to over-winter especially if we have one like last year.

TrimTheKing":23c4z08s said:
I know it’s disheartening but your a hardy soul, you’ll get there mate!

Not this time, mate. I've had it.
 
Bloody hell Roger, that's a shame. Brace up the structure (of the orangery, not the scaffold) and come back to it in the spring. It won't suffer much through getting wet. The OSB might swell, but it will still be fine for a roof. If you are going to wrap the building itself in a tarp (rather than the scaffold), then raise a ridge beam in the middle to help water off.

You can maybe make the woodwork for the lantern in your workshop over the winter, and have that ready to go when spring arrives. November in Northumberland on a roof..........it doesn't bear thinking about.
 
Roger.

We are thinking of you.

Mike's suggestion seems reasonable. Then you could be getting on with stuff in the house and workshop before spring comes.

Hang in there.
 
Wot they said - hang tough, wrap it up for winter and forget about it - come back to it in the Spring and then decide how to continue. Right now you cannot see the wood for the trees as it were.
 
Sad times. In a year or so when the things up and looking amazing this will be a distant memory.

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Roger very sorry to read this I hope that you can get around this issue.
Although I am quite close I am afraid I am totally incapacitated at the moment.
 
Just wrap the exposed woodwork (loosely to allow airflow) with a cheap black visqueen sheet.

repair what you can above it and it'll be fine. Keep the heavy weather off the timber and allow a bit fo airflow around it. It'll be fine. I think your becoming a bit obsessed by it (I would be too) and you need to relax it in your mind.

:-)
 
A great shame Roger.
Try and put this behind you until the spring, now you can concentrate all your efforts on the house.

Rod
 
Well, that was a turn up for the books. I went out this morning to dry off most of the excess water prior to putting it to bed for the winter . Took a lot longer than I expected as the slope on my firrings isn't enough IMO. :( and I had a fair bit of standing globules.

And then the sun came out and it started to get a bit toasty. :eusa-clap: So I bit the bullet and managed to get half of it covered wth topcoat which was a real bonus.

One thing I found was getting the right amount of coating on. Their instructions go to town saying that the thickness must only be about 0.5mm otherwise it won't set...they can even sell you a depth gauge..that you should be able to see the roller marks..that the coverage is 0.5kg per m2.

Trying to follow this I found that as I rollered the topcoat it looked as if it was taking back up the topcoat in some areas and leaving small pinpricks (well, nail pricks) in the coating. I came to the conclusion that that was because the gloopiness of the mix meant that the topcoat didn't flow smoothly and fill up any small holes in the underlying coats. So that as you rolled back and forth, the roller was picking up some of the topcoat and uncovering the pinpricks. Certainly where it was laid on a bit thicker I didn't have this problem yet the thickness issue nagged at me.

The other mistake I made was using an old roller bucket with dried resin covering the walls. The topcoat managed to soften it and I ended up with some scruffy areas as bits came off the old resin and got rollered in !

Having just popped out to the workshop, I needn't have worried about the thickness as a good 7mm in the bucket has gone off nicely.
 
Standing globules - when you polish your car, the standing globules are bigger on your bonnet than when the polish has worn off, but the gaps between them are bigger, too. Then they fall off the bonnet easily.

So.......I'm thinking, is it that your firrings aren't steep enough, or is that your surface isn't slippery enough?

Not sure where this leads, but at least I'm thinking! ;)
 
You got your mojo back you got your mojo back !!!! [emoji6][emoji38] sounds like you've had a good day- nice to hear things are getting better.

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They got the forecast wrong and the temperature was just about there. Luckily the wind had been of help (for once) and dried out a lot of the remaining roof and more importantly got rid of any condensation from underneath the roof tarpaulin...when that condensation got bad, it rained in there!

So, finished the topcoat. I took a quick look at the first lot of topcoat and TBH it could do with another coat but that can wait until spring.

Having decided to wrap it up for the winter, it is quite cathartic to hear the wind ripping at the tarpaulins but not care ! :D
 
Great job Roger. This is not defeat - just a temporary tactical withdrawal so that you can fight another day. Hunker down for a Northumbrian winter and you'll be ready to attack the job with renewed enthusiasm in the spring. :obscene-drinkingbuddies:
 
Well, I've lost track of the storms and the various coverings. Spent a small fortune. Few months back, we were on covering Mark 3 or was it 4? Then Storm Dierdre came along and wrecked that. Or was it Storm Erik ? Dunno.

So I bit the bullet and followed Billybuntus's suggestion and got Vizqueen wrapped round it. Only problem was, no suitable sizes to cover the roof in one and so I relied on Vizqueen tape and thought I'd put some silicon in the join for added protection. Storm Fryea came and went and I thought 'Result'.

Gareth is now telling me who is actually boss. The roof covering and tape has been ripped off. Silicon does not stick to Vizqueen. Hey ho..past caring.

I have one final solution for the roof but will wait until Gareth has done his stuff.

Jesus...as I type this the sashes are rattling. It is blowing a Hoolie out there.
 
RogerS":1vi9cnxf said:
Well, I've lost track of the storms and the various coverings. Spent a small fortune. Few months back, we were on covering Mark 3 or was it 4? Then Storm Dierdre came along and wrecked that. Or was it Storm Erik ? Dunno.

So I bit the bullet and followed Billybuntus's suggestion and got Vizqueen wrapped round it. Only problem was, no suitable sizes to cover the roof in one and so I relied on Vizqueen tape and thought I'd put some silicon in the join for added protection. Storm Fryea came and went and I thought 'Result'.

Gareth is now telling me who is actually boss. The roof covering and tape has been ripped off. Silicon does not stick to Vizqueen. Hey ho..past caring.

I have one final solution for the roof but will wait until Gareth has done his stuff.

Jesus...as I type this the sashes are rattling. It is blowing a Hoolie out there.

You could of sandwiched the visqueen between two pieces of timber and screwed through. Gorilla tape it over.
 
billybuntus":ixi3l0wd said:
RogerS":ixi3l0wd said:
Well, I've lost track of the storms and the various coverings. Spent a small fortune. Few months back, we were on covering Mark 3 or was it 4? Then Storm Dierdre came along and wrecked that. Or was it Storm Erik ? Dunno.

So I bit the bullet and followed Billybuntus's suggestion and got Vizqueen wrapped round it. Only problem was, no suitable sizes to cover the roof in one and so I relied on Vizqueen tape and thought I'd put some silicon in the join for added protection. Storm Fryea came and went and I thought 'Result'.

Gareth is now telling me who is actually boss. The roof covering and tape has been ripped off. Silicon does not stick to Vizqueen. Hey ho..past caring.

I have one final solution for the roof but will wait until Gareth has done his stuff.

Jesus...as I type this the sashes are rattling. It is blowing a Hoolie out there.

You could of sandwiched the visqueen between two pieces of timber and screwed through. Gorilla tape it over.

That's my next plan !
 
Time to start thinking about the lantern.

Here is the skeleton (partial) of the lantern. For information it fits a hole approx 2.5m wide x 7m long. That makes the ridge board approx 4.4 m long.

lantern.png

Lots to think about. :eusa-think:
 
Next few days are looking promising weather-wise. The plan is to get the lantern framework installed and painted.

Loads of planing and thicknessing. It's about this point in a project that I yearn for a 4-sider.


I've done as detailed a SketchUp drawing as I can. Not too sure how it will all pan out ...we shall see.

The ridge board glueing up. Option A with domino's is what I opted for.



Plan is to fit the two end rafters to the ridge board, apply some ply reinforcements and haul it up. Then fix in position and get some rafter fitted pronto. I'm putting off the hip rafters for as long as possible. Compound angles an' all.
 
Most of the day in Newcastle clothes shopping for our break away :(

Managed to get a little bit of time. Covers off and hoist in place.



Ridge board and end rafters screwed and braced together



Trial lift seemed to work OK but I realised that I needed an extra pair of hands to do the positioning or rope pulling. And to think I was considering pulling up the whole thing with all the rafters fitted !



Fresh out of spare hands so put it to bed for the night to keep the dew/frost off.



Tomorrow is another day.
 
Thursday

A new day dawns and with renewed vigour, the ridge beam was hauled up and into place all by my ownsome.



First rafter in place and it fits (more or less)



Had to go out for the day but determined to get the ridge beam reasonably secured before nightfall so I could drag the cover back over.



All feels a little bit rickety though, TBH :( Hopefully when it all gets screwed down and more rafters added it will stiffen up.

Friday

Once the frost had gone from the covering, started to add more rafters. Incidentally, having that scaffold frame still present gives lots of handholds !

The ridge beam has domino slots already cut for alignment purposes. Marked up the other ends on the 'wall-plates' ...for want of a better word. Some niggling thoughts though at the back of my mind. First rafter went in OK although the birdsmouth wasn't a brilliant fit. I'm glad though that I've opted to do a 'reverse' birdsmouth as it means I can tap in some thin folding wedges between the birdsmouth and wall-plate to tighten up the rafter prior to fixing to the wall-plate.

Second rafter on the other side turned out to need more tweaking then I would have liked. Reason for saying that is that I'd thought I'd be able to make a template for the rafters and then 'cookie-cut' the birdsmouths out with a bearing guided router cutter. Trouble is that, given the length and width of the building, the wall-plates are not mm level, co-planar with each opposite member or equal in spacing down the length. So each rafter is going to have to be individual trimmed. :(

The other cock-up is that I've managed to install the ridge beam not 100% vertical. This makes checking for rafter squareness relative to the ridge beam tricky as if you don't hold the square evenly spaced then because of the skew on the ridge beam, the rafter looks out of square. It took me a while to realise that. I hate working with slopes !

So got into a bit of a routine. Measuring the distance to the birdsmouth is made much easier with one of these.



I've got a range of sizes that cover most things. Absolutely brilliant for checking inside diagonals, amongst other things.

So cut the 15 degree slope off the rafter end....or 16 degrees as it is on one side due to my ridge beam cock-up :oops:



Cut the domino slot while it's all clamped down.



Quick blast of compressed air to clean it out.



Apply the measuring stick to mark the birdsmouth


Mark the right 15 degree slope



Mark off the depth...note it will be slightly less than the 20mm needed due to the slope. That's where this gizmo comes in handy. Very quick to mark off. I use these a lot.



Use this to get my 90 degree line. It's here that I guess I could use a template for marking out.



Cut the shoulder. Not a lot of kerf on the small tenon saw I use.



Then cut the slope with a jigsaw.



Check for squareness as sometimes the jigsaw blade wanders. This ones OK although TBH they never sit that well on top of the wall-palte. Remember - Roger - it's not furniture.



That niggling doubt won't go away. Just wish I knew what it was.

Other 'must-do's' came into play and so not as much progress as I'd have liked. By the end of the day I'd done these



On the plus side, it's all stiffened up nicely. On the downside, the gusts of wind make the building nudge slightly. Sooner I get the walls finished the better.

And that niggling doubt is 'Have I got those rafters parallel and square to each other or are they tapering out or in such that the glass won't fit properly ? I hunted around for something to cut up into the size of a pane. 9mm offcuts of plywood not large enough. My board cutting space on the floor is filled up with prepared timber for the rafters. Too much of a fag anyway to get the track saw out. I'm sure those rafters are spot-on.

Saturday morning

Dammit. I've got to do a dry run with a mock-up pane of glass. Cardboard is too flimsy and will droop. Ditto the worktop templating material. Going to have to be a jury-rigged bit of 9mm plywood.

To be continued ....
 
All on your ownsome? You're well 'ard, Sunshine!

Looking good from here, Roger.
 
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