Jimmy Mack's 'Shop Build (photos & video)

[Malc2098]

Blends in nicely!

 

[Jimmy Mack]

Thanks malc...the snow hides that I've destroyed the garden [emoji3]

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[Malc2098]

Thanks malc...the snow hides that I've destroyed the garden [emoji3]

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Since I had my site dug and exposed the clay, every time I walk round I'm several inches higher in mud, a bit like Elton John in is glam days!

 

[Jimmy Mack]

The rain here is biblical and... Carp!....it appears there's a little bit of water seeping in at the ridge!

If you remember it is a dry ridge, sealed where the ridge tiles meet/ mate.

My thoughts are, I might need to run a bit of gutter seal along this section of ridge where they meet the tiles and check my sella screws.

Poodles.

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[RogerS]

That's a pain. Could it be wind driving in the rain underneath the tiles ?

 

[Jimmy Mack]

That's a pain. Could it be wind driving in the rain underneath the tiles ?

I think so Roger, I suppose better that it's at the top making it easier to trace.

Possibly a combination of a low pitch, and not quite enough overlap from the ridge tiles. And wind driving it up as you say, infact more than likely.

Drawn a pencil around the stain to see if it grows.

Jim



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[AndyP]

Oh that is a PITA

I had to go back a few pages to see how you did the ridge.

When you say dry do you mean that there is no gunk running the length of the ridge where the ridge tile meets the roof slates? Seems to my uninformed and uneducated eye that there is not much over lap there and hence wind blown rain may be a possible cause.

edit Oops just seen our posts crossed.

 

[Jimmy Mack]

Oh that is a PITA

I had to go back a few pages to see how you did the ridge.

When you say dry do you mean that there is no gunk running the length of the ridge where the ridge tile meets the roof slates? Seems to my uninformed and uneducated eye that there is not much over lap there and hence wind blown rain may be a possible cause.

Yes Andy, spot on! Thanks for pulling up the post.

Indeed there's no gunk along the ridge. And the ridge tiles were a little 'organic' as in they'd wobble on a flat surface.

Perhaps I should seal the whole ridge? I just thought any seal would fail/ peel.

Jim

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[AndyP]

A quick google on slate ridge details shows the top slates almost meeting at the apex which cant be done with your ridge fixings.

Sorry can't be more help.

 

[RogerS]

I think I might be inclined to seal with proper glazing sealant as that has a much higher elasticity coefficient then, say, run-of-the-mill frame sealant, I believe.

I'd also run two lines parallel to each other and be inclined to stick the max along the top of the two sets of 'normal' tiles ...that way any excess (hopefully) won;t become visible by exuding from underneath the ridge tile.

 

[Jimmy Mack]

It may be getting in at other points (unknown to me) and running down the membrane. Or perhaps the sealing at the mating of the / this ridge tile(s) isn't quite right/ has recently failed

An inspection is required me thinks...and probably some sealant.

Roger, I have a tube of roof and gutter seal, whether its the right product I'm not sure, I do know it seems to take longer to dry, it almost had a bitumous quality to it.

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[RogerS]

This site gives useful background to the various types (not brands)

http://msroofingcontractors.com/the-bes ... ng-gutters

and here

http://www.diynot.com/diy/threads/gutte ... in.228066/

 

[Mike G]

......Roger, I have a tube of roof and gutter seal, whether its the right product I'm not sure, I do know it seems to take longer to dry, it almost had a bitumous quality to it.

That's the right stuff. Frame sealant is too firm to be guaranteed to flex sufficiently with the roofing materials. You'll find the words "low modulous" somewhere on the tube.

 

[Jimmy Mack]

Ah- haha!... :idea: :idea: :idea:

Now, I was wondering why this had not happened before in previous downpours. The bad weather and wind is blowing from the North rather than the SW! So perhaps the first time this side of roof has had a good lashing.


Thanks Mike. Just dug out the tube it's this stuff ....

Butyl mastic sealant for exterior use

http://www.bostik.co.uk/diy/product/evo-stik/Roof-and-Gutter-Sealant/263

 

[Rod]

Our single storey extension, with a pitched tiled roof leaked a couple of years ago - the only time in 20yrs.
Caused by extreme driving rain and cured by fixing much wider lead flashing.
So I agree that is the likely culprit.
We haven't had it too bad, apart from the storms blowing off most of the Autumn leaves and creating skid pans.
Hope everybody else is Ok?

Rod

 

[Jimmy Mack]

Little assessment this morning...

Couple of drips on the floor.

A not very clear shot of the ridge as its quite dull. However if you can see it the seat edge of the ridge curves up slightly, this is from the manufacture rather than flex from screwing. I suspect this is the culprit. If I remember I didn't leave as much on the top tiles (less lap) as I did further down the ridge.

Hopefully a dry day tomorrow so I can crawl up there with the goop. The bottom rivet on the tile looks like it needs a tap down too.

Jim

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[TrimTheKing]

Maybe I'm making this up, and I'm not at home to check my roof, but I thought slates were laid with the beveled edges facing up?!

Cheers
Mark

 

[Jimmy Mack]

Maybe I'm making this up, and I'm not at home to check my roof, but I thought slates were laid with the beveled edges facing up?!

Cheers
Mark

Hi Mark,

These are man made fibre cement tiles, they have batch details printed on the reverse and a square edge.

You are right though the bevel goes up on a traditional slate, except on the 'starter course' where it is often put bevel down as a detail.

Jim

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[TrimTheKing]

Ah thanks Jimmy, I should have remembers that! That will teach me to read back before I comment!

Cheers
Mark

 

[AndyP]

What will you do Jim. Take all the ridge tiles off and then gloup and re-attach one at a time?

 

[Jimmy Mack]

What will you do Jim. Take all the ridge tiles off and then gloup and re-attach one at a time?

Do....I've just done.

Ran a bead of the roof seal along the join between the tiles and ridge tiles. It's the only point I can see that would of failed. Hopefully it's done the trick.

I'd already sealed the joint where the ridges lap together on installation, so the ridges are effectively glued together.

Now defrosting a numb posterior [emoji32] glad I got done before winter!

Jim

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[Tusses]

I'd have run the bead at the highest point on the under tile... where the least wind/drive force is ... but I hope it cures your problem ! .. nothing worse than fixing intermittent problems !

Also .. not for you, but for others .. shouldn't the under felt be able to shed small amounts of water, without letting it through ???

a few times a year (winter), I get the odd drip .. but mine is a shanty build ! , so I live with it for now .

 

[Jimmy Mack]

I'd have run the bead at the highest point on the under tile... where the least wind/drive force is ... but I hope it cures your problem ! .. nothing worse than fixing intermittent problems !

Also .. not for you, but for others .. shouldn't the under felt be able to shed small amounts of water, without letting it through ???

a few times a year (winter), I get the odd drip .. but mine is a shanty build ! , so I live with it for now .

Thanks, I hope so too. Tracking water leaks is the devil's work, a least it was at the top so easier to find!

You're right the membrane, as a second defence, should catch any water that comes through. I can only think that the water was blown in under the ridge, sat on top of the ridge beam (mines wide @ 150mm) then wormed its way though the membrane where the SELA screws holding the ridges have pierced, around the beam and in!

Hopefully sorted, we'll have to wait for another storm to see.

Jim

 

[Jimmy Mack]

Woo-hoo! ...

Happy chappie!

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[TrimTheKing]

:eusa-clap: bscene-drinkingcheers: :text-bravo:

 

[9fingers]

Are these sign off certificates a relatively new thing?

When I completed my house extension - made it longer at front and back and put another floor on top ie fairly major works all inspected by building control and passed by planners, I did not get such a certificate. This was in 1985!!
I've no intention of selling but if I did I wonder if a purchaser, or his solicitor would expect some paperwork?
Hopefully there would be a file on it at the local council offices?

They certainly know about it as I've been paying higher rates and subsequently council tax on the higher valuation.

Bob

 

[Rod]

I got nothing when I did my extensions a while back but got certificates when we had a new electrical consumer unit fitted and gas hob refitted a couple of years ago.
The council keeps building and planning records - details of which they supply when new purchasers ask for a "search". Having said that, my younger daughter who was having some alterations to her house was informed by the council that the previous owner had not completed all his works and it had not been signed off - Fire resistant plaster boarding to attached garage ceiling!

Rod

 

[Jimmy Mack]

Are these sign off certificates a relatively new thing?

When I completed my house extension - made it longer at front and back and put another floor on top ie fairly major works all inspected by building control and passed by planners, I did not get such a certificate. This was in 1985!!
I've no intention of selling but if I did I wonder if a purchaser, or his solicitor would expect some paperwork?
Hopefully there would be a file on it at the local council offices?

They certainly know about it as I've been paying higher rates and subsequently council tax on the higher valuation.

Bob

Indeed, I can't see the council missing a chance to up the tax...I wonder if ours will go up as, I'm sure it's upped the value of the property a little...maybe?

Not sure if the certificates are a new thing, and you're right they'll all be on a system somewhere for a conveyancer come sell time...even tho they'll possibly ask for them!

I suppose it's just to confirm to me it's all logged and I don't need to do anything else...an expensive bit of paper tho... £160 registration + £360 inspection fees, easy to overlook these costs when one's dreaming up a project :? ...

....there's also £172 for Planning Permission and £400 Structural Calcs.

£1092 before breaking earth!!!! ...and still before architectural fees!


Jim

 

[Jimmy Mack]

PS. I got a Part P confirmation slip from my electrician's authority (NAPIT) confirming it had been logged with Buildings.

 

[Pinch]

Hey well done Jim!

Does this mean another beer bash ole chap??

:text-bravo:

 

[Malc2098]

bscene-drinkingcheers:

Well done, Jim!

 

[9fingers]

Are these sign off certificates a relatively new thing?

When I completed my house extension - made it longer at front and back and put another floor on top ie fairly major works all inspected by building control and passed by planners, I did not get such a certificate. This was in 1985!!
I've no intention of selling but if I did I wonder if a purchaser, or his solicitor would expect some paperwork?
Hopefully there would be a file on it at the local council offices?

They certainly know about it as I've been paying higher rates and subsequently council tax on the higher valuation.

Bob

Indeed, I can't see the council missing a chance to up the tax...I wonder if ours will go up as, I'm sure it's upped the value of the property a little...maybe?

Not sure if the certificates are a new thing, and you're right they'll all be on a system somewhere for a conveyancer come sell time...even tho they'll possibly ask for them!

I suppose it's just to confirm to me it's all logged and I don't need to do anything else...an expensive bit of paper tho... £160 registration + £360 inspection fees, easy to overlook these costs when one's dreaming up a project :? ...

....there's also £172 for Planning Permission and £400 Structural Calcs.

£1092 before breaking earth!!!! ...and still before architectural fees!

Jim

You should not get extra council tax. Any changes to banding is now done when you sell/purchase unless that is they ever get round to the nationwide banding review. This has been threatened and then kicked into the long grass several times as it would possibly be suicide for the particular party that actually implements the review.

I did my extension back in the days of rates based on rateable valuation performed by the Inland Revenue. I applied for and won a valuation reduction during the work which took me about 3 years. At the time we were living in two rooms of the old house, cooking in the hall and the kitchen sink was on flexible hoses and moved over a drain when needed!
The local council were continually pestering to see if I had finished and the instant I did our rateable value was jacked up to reflect the huge change in habitable area.

Bob

 

[Jimmy Mack]

Hey well done Jim!

Does this mean another beer bash ole chap??

:text-bravo:

*sigh* I think so :eusa-shifty: ...there seems to be a lot of subliminal peer pressure on here... bscene-drinkingcheers:

...plus it'll help de-frag the brain bscene-drinkingcheers: after the 'Tax doesn't need to be taxing' tax return filed today. Looking for dates on receipts drives me potty! bscene-drinkingcheers: I swear the pixies hide 'em! :lol:


bscene-drinkingcheers:

 

[AndyP]

Indeed well done.

Has the ridge tile repair been successful? The storms of the past few days should have been a good test.

 

[Jimmy Mack]

Indeed well done.

Has the ridge tile repair been successful? The storms of the past few days should have been a good test.

Yes, tho I was reluctant to mention it for fear of jinxing what appears to be a fix. Fingers crossed [emoji3]



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[Rod]

I did my tax return a few days ago - they've sent me a demand for £1.67 which I have to pay before the 31st or else they will charge me interest!!
I always thought they carried these small amounts forward? Must cost them a hell of a lot more to process than it's worth!

Rod

 

[Jimmy Mack]

I'm getting a bit of rain water staining off my verges/ridge boards onto my cladding, which is dry...I think it's surface tension as water hits and runs around the barge boards, but I'm not 100 percent certain...

My gut says it looks worse than it is as it's bone dry, but thought I'd share for some thoughts.

(The bumps are a couple of knots popping out)

It really is just surface water stains, as I can scratch it off with a finger nail...

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[Jimmy Mack]

What if I tack a little drip bead on? Do folk think this will create a drip for the water?

Or is this a daft idea?

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[TrimTheKing]

Worth trying along one ledge I guess, then see if there's any difference?

One season won't be enough to damage it so might be worth a go then if it works do the rest.

Cheers
Mark

 

[9fingers]

I cant really see a capillary path from your fascia/barge boards across to the cladding so I'm a bit mystified as to how the boards are getting stained.
Can do no harm to add a short length of drip rail and see if there is any contrast with and without.

Bob