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Last week I got a frantic call to help out some longstanding friends in an emergency so my wife and I were there in minutes to this horrific scene and both of them were in a serious state of shock though unhurt physically. My wife being an ex nurse sorted that side as there were no injuries while I spent an hour and a half sorting out both car and house insurance for him as well as emergency temporary repairs as the lintels were no longer supported. There were blocks falling as we walked up the driveway.

What surprised me was that the car insurance company said it‘s an increasingly common accident and he was lucky it’s a hybrid rather than an EV which would have most likely required a new battery pack as the car “climbed” over the concrete blocks. The guys who came out that evening to make safe and secure the premises said this was the third they had attended in the last 6 weeks :rolleyes: That wasn't locally as they cover a wide area.

This photo taken half an hour or so after the accident shows only part of the damage which is extensive. I’ve blanked out his number plate so it can’t be traced. The roof looks as if it's sagged in the middle but that's just a quirk of the camera and it's all supported now by acro props.

His wife luckily was standing watching him put the car away so pulled him out. How she managed is beyond me as she’s 6 stone soaking wet, adrenalin I guess. I took a risk and managed to retrieve his ‘phone and keys from the car but thinking back I shouldn have done that.

The car is a 1 week old, a nearly £60k Merc. with less than 100 miles on the clock. He'd just traded in his previous smaller GLA so this being longer was a tight fit for length in the garage and he was inching forward when his foot slipped and wallop, straight through an internal concrete block dividing wall, though the utility sink and washing maching and demolished the external cavity wall as you can see. Burst a water pipe which was too dangerous for me to get at and was a full mains pressure fountain luckily directed into the garden so I had to turn off the main supply. I found out later it had fractured the oil pipe supply to the boiler as well though that didn't leak too much.

The car has a smashed windsreen and a lot of superficial damage but nothing major and the airbags didn’t fire. ATM he’s talking about going back to a smaller car or giving up and they’ve already given him a trade in value substantially less than he paid so I’ve got first refusal if he does. It will be repaired by the MB main dealer so I’d have no issues with that

I’d have to get that past the wife which could be a major hurdle though. :unsure: :)

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I retired from full time work as a collision investigator/road safety engineer ten years ago. But even back then analysis of crash data showed a correlation between the older driver and cars with automatic gearboxes while not in collision with any other vehicles, but frequently against a wall.

I'm going to stay with a manual gearbox for as long as I can.
 
I once (long ago) had a Vauxhall Astra (a mistake). I found quite suddenly that the ignition lights were staying on when the ignition switch was turned fully off, and even with the key removed. Being a bit strapped for cash at the time, I investigated it myself. Pulling the connector off the back of the switch, all the lights went out. Probably the switch then. Dismantled it - the design is a backplate with raised contacts on it, and a triangular plate which rotates over them as the key is turned. Raised pips at each corner connect the contacts below as the plate rotates. When they wear down, the whole plate sits across all the connections giving the vehicle a life of its own independent of the presence of a key. I fixed it by soldering on some new pieces of contact strip from my junk box over where the worn ones once were. All good.

One of my Dad's colleagues had the more advanced form of this problem, and the car tried to start itself in gear in the garage.

I had a number of other interesting electrical issues with that car. Including the time smoke erupted from the dash. It carried on going. I rolled the window down to clear the smoke. It still carried on going. Never found out what let go.

My take away; buy a manual car. Never again a Vauxhall. Leave in neutral unless on a steep hill.

That was quite a slip of the foot - wrong pedal ? A good outcome that nobody was hurt though.
 
An older chap down the road from us did a similar thing had a new automatic car delivered and the next morning he reversed at speed across the road in to a drive way demolishing a fence and ripping a gas pipe off the wall.

I am glad no one was hurt.

Pete
 
OOh!

I'd want to see any logs the car's computer generates. Casting no aspersions on Mercedes, it was probably human error, but not necessarily. There is a lot of sloppy firmware out there, and I'd want to know if it recorded a sudden change in the throttle position, or not.

Long ago I stopped trying to get manual cars from hire companies in the USA, but automatics still make me very nervous. I'm also, probably, the only person in the whole of North America that actually uses the parking brake...
 
I once (long ago) had a Vauxhall Astra (a mistake). I found quite suddenly that the ignition lights were staying on when the ignition switch was turned fully off, and even with the key removed. Being a bit strapped for cash at the time, I investigated it myself. Pulling the connector off the back of the switch, all the lights went out. Probably the switch then. Dismantled it - the design is a backplate with raised contacts on it, and a triangular plate which rotates over them as the key is turned. Raised pips at each corner connect the contacts below as the plate rotates. When they wear down, the whole plate sits across all the connections giving the vehicle a life of its own independent of the presence of a key. I fixed it by soldering on some new pieces of contact strip from my junk box over where the worn ones once were. All good.

One of my Dad's colleagues had the more advanced form of this problem, and the car tried to start itself in gear in the garage.

I had a number of other interesting electrical issues with that car. Including the time smoke erupted from the dash. It carried on going. I rolled the window down to clear the smoke. It still carried on going. Never found out what let go.

My take away; buy a manual car. Never again a Vauxhall. Leave in neutral unless on a steep hill.

That was quite a slip of the foot - wrong pedal ? A good outcome that nobody was hurt though.
Didn't Vauxhalls have a problem with the blower speed control catching fire in the dash?

Pete
 
Yes - the ZaFIR(E)a ironically enough

If it were me Id recompose and then refer myself to the DVSA for a retest rather than be pressured into retiring
An ICE with manual transmission would possibly have stalled instead.
Back when ram- raiding was de rigueur the supermarkets installed pillars around the entrances but Tescos in Ledbury was ahead of the curve and had them fitted after an elderly driver drove down the car park and instead of braking at the junction in front of the building and turning left, she hit the accelerator and went through the shop doorway.Miraculously no injuries or damage.
 
I retired from full time work as a collision investigator/road safety engineer ten years ago. But even back then analysis of crash data showed a correlation between the older driver and cars with automatic gearboxes while not in collision with any other vehicles, but frequently against a wall.

I'm going to stay with a manual gearbox for as long as I can.

it's the same car as mine Malcolm except that mine is older of course and this is a hybrid. I've never had a single glitch with the auto box which I think is excellent and I've had several auto Audis before that. It's AWD which didn't help I think as if FWD it wouldn't have reached the back wall possibly as the car scrabbled for grip. The accelleration on mine is qick, his with battery boost is quicker and that's part of the issue these days especially with EVs that have the 0-60 of a supercar not too long ago. Those in the hands of the wrong people, kids especially is a recipe for disaster. All EVs are auto so the days of manual cars are disappearing.

The MB dealer has already said it will investigate as well as repair though they'll find nothing of course and my mate says without doubt it was his fault. Personally I think the accellerator and brake pedals are sometimes too close together in some autos.

Anyway I personally wouldn't go back to manual these days, I can use the paddles if I really wanted to but don't and the option of flicking into sport for pulling out of junctions quickly and safely is all I use. My wife wouldn't change her auto Mini back to manual either.

We don't however park our cars in a garage, that space is far too valuable to waste on a car. :ROFLMAO:
 
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Wow, that's awful.

Good luck with 'negotiations' and the missus. Glad nobody was hurt - Rob

Probably never happen Rob but I did mention it in passing. No reply just the usual rolled eyes and I'm already in the bad books for getting a camera. Women have no reasonable priorities. 😉

The couple are fine, I've been to see them several times since the accident. Apparently he's never been involved in an accident of any kind or made a claim previously and it was a bad day as he'd just got a letter saying he'd been clocked at 33 in a 30mph zone on his way home after collecting the new car so has to go on an awareness course.
 
I've had automatics for my last 3 cars and 20 years and never had an issue. I'm not saying there aren't issues but I don't believe they're widespread enough to feel that they're a complete no go.

My bigger issue with modern cars is not the automatic transmissions and more the fact that the entire car is run by computers and sensors, and when they go wrong you need to be an electrical diagnostic wizard as well as a mechanic to even work out what the issue is.
 
Ouch! Poor guys, glad to hear nothing more than pride damaged and everyone healthy. Must have been scary for them.
That's the first time I've seen the effects of shock Mark and it's scary. He was laid flat out shaking and confused and his wife wasn't much better. A neighbour came in with tea and we put enough sugar in it to make a spoon stand up, his face a picture 'cos he doesn't take sugar.:ROFLMAO: Didn't want a doc or hospital so we were there for several hours to be certain they were OK, I rang later and called round the next morning.

Sorting the insurances was a nightmare as I'm not the insured and he was too shaken to do it but got there in the end.
 
Didn't Vauxhalls have a problem with the blower speed control catching fire in the dash?

Pete
I think that was probably it; the blower "speed control" is usually a group of resistors switched into various series/parallel configurations - I would guess one burned out, so no all the blower speeds worked, at least at the speed it should, but I never noticed. How hard is PWM really ? A 555 would do an adequate job.
 
I used to fix tv in the good old days they where like to much voltage? bung it through a big resistor and burn it off.

Pete
 
Probably never happen Rob but I did mention it in passing. No reply just the usual rolled eyes and I'm already in the bad books for getting a camera. Women have no reasonable priorities. 😉

The couple are fine, I've been to see them several times since the accident. Apparently he's never been involved in an accident of any kind or made a claim previously and it was a bad day as he'd just got a letter saying he'd been clocked at 33 in a 30mph zone on his way home after collecting the new car so has to go on an awareness course.
Good to hear they're both OK, albeit a bit shocked. At the end of the jour, it's only 'stuff' that got damaged and that's all replaceable; a 10% margin on yer speed is all it takes to get a ticket and if I'm out with SWIMBO and I remotely stray over or anywhere near the limit I get the 'sideways look' followed by a 'cautionary word' in my left ear 'ole, so now when I'm out on my own in the motor I stick strictly to the speed limit - Rob
 
Good to hear they're both OK, albeit a bit shocked. At the end of the jour, it's only 'stuff' that got damaged and that's all replaceable; a 10% margin on yer speed is all it takes to get a ticket and if I'm out with SWIMBO and I remotely stray over or anywhere near the limit I get the 'sideways look' followed by a 'cautionary word' in my left ear 'ole, so now when I'm out on my own in the motor I stick strictly to the speed limit - Rob
After picking up 9 points in the space of two weeks (on a previously clean for 20 years license), on the same camera on the M62 variable speed limit stretch, I now drive like an octogenarian granny!! Six of the points expired early July with the other three expiring early November, then obviously I need to wait another 12 months on each for them to officially come off my license...
 
Jeez, many positives to be taken when he has time to reflect. Imagine that happening in a car park somewhere with people around. A less well built and robust car could have been worse too. Can understand the shock he must have felt.
I'm still struggling to get used to button start. Muscle memory after 6 months stills try to turn off a non existent key. Never considered an automatic, more expensive to buy, less economical to run, and heavier on the brakes are my non scientific reasons.
 
I'm still struggling to get used to button start. Muscle memory after 6 months stills try to turn off a non existent key. Never considered an automatic, more expensive to buy, less economical to run, and heavier on the brakes are my non scientific reasons.
Never owned an automatic and have no intention of ever doing so, but driving one on a 'fly drive' tour of the Canadian Rockies a couple of years ago isn't an experience I'd care to repeat, fabulous as the scenery was - Rob
 
Have had turbine coupled automatics for 40+ years and never found them to be less efficient than my ability to have a manual in the best gear all the time. Have witnessed and been a passenger in vehicles where the instant high torque of a modern electric has caused a scare and in one instance damage. Ever been in an ID4 where the driver selected the wrong position on the rotarary direction selector before accelerating away?
After picking up 9 points in the space of two weeks (on a previously clean for 20 years license), on the same camera on the M62 variable speed limit stretch, I now drive like an octogenarian granny!! ......
Selecting 'Speed Limiter' or at worst 'Cruse Control' (not so useful in urban driving.) but a boon on the open road.
 
Never owned an automatic and have no intention of ever doing so, ..
Don't wait until anno domini creeps up on you, every few seconds gained in concentration on traffic junctions lights etc. with the background confidence that you are in the appropriate gear and the darn thing won't stall on you is an increased pleasure to a journey.
 
Selecting 'Speed Limiter' or at worst 'Cruse Control' (not so useful in urban driving.) but a boon on the open road.
With cruise control you too can become the person driving at a constant speed in the range 60-69mph in the middle lane of the motorway oblivious to the frustration you are causing. I'm sure the combination of speed cameras and cruise control as a means of avoiding their attention has greatly contributed to this habit.
 
Well done for helping mate, i'm sure they appreciated it.
(y) we've known them more than 30 years but it's what any half decent person would do even if just off the street Mark, friends or not.

I rang to him this morning and in passing he said "I've got a present for you". "don't want it, not having it" I replied then he said "It's a plane which was my father's, still in it's box I wouldn't know how to use it, just need to blow the dust off the box from the crash".

"Thank's I'd love that I said" with my wife shouting in the background "He has enough bloody planes". :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
 
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With cruise control you too can become the person driving at a constant speed in the range 60-69mph in the middle lane of the motorway oblivious to the frustration you are causing. I'm sure the combination of speed cameras and cruise control as a means of avoiding their attention has greatly contributed to this habit.
But that's bad driving its not Cruise Controls fault, try the A40 from Gloucester to Abergavenny and on to A465 to Hirwaun and beyond and see how many miles you can cover with just a flick of the cruise paddles to adjust your speed rather than throttle or brake.
 
Don't wait until anno domini creeps up on you, every few seconds gained in concentration on traffic junctions lights etc. with the background confidence that you are in the appropriate gear and the darn thing won't stall on you is an increased pleasure to a journey.
I don't know what the traffic is like round your way Chas, but hereabouts there's no 'increased pleasure' in any driving by car as a) there's a lot more of the bloody things on the road and b) those that are have got a hell of a lot 'fatter' (carspreading) than they were even a few years ago.
Most of my driving is done locally and whenever I do, it's almost invariably as early as I can make it, so I'm usually out the house to take SWIMBO to work (Fridays) at 7.00am and then round to Tesco & Waitrose before 7.30 so I'm back home having brekki by 9am, having gone round virtually empty supermarkets and roads with nowt on them.

A couple of days ago I went to pick up a new car seat for my little grandson and idiotically went round the bypass at mid-day, instead of taking the back road past Old Sarum. What should have been a 20 minute drive took 50 instead so please don't lecture me that an automatic gearbox is going to make a half-penny's worth of difference - Rob
 
I don't know what the traffic is like round your way Chas, but hereabouts there's no 'increased pleasure' in any driving by car as a) there's a lot more of the bloody things on the road and b) those that are have got a hell of a lot 'fatter' (carspreading) than they were even a few years ago.
Most of my driving is done locally and whenever I do, it's almost invariably as early as I can make it, so I'm usually out the house to take SWIMBO to work (Fridays) at 7.00am and then round to Tesco & Waitrose before 7.30 so I'm back home having brekki by 9am, having gone round virtually empty supermarkets and roads with nowt on them.

A couple of days ago I went to pick up a new car seat for my little grandson and idiotically went round the bypass at mid-day, instead of taking the back road past Old Sarum. What should have been a 20 minute drive took 50 instead so please don't lecture me that an automatic gearbox is going to make a half-penny's worth of difference - Rob
Living in a more rural area than the inner environs of Salisbury it is precisely the aid of an automatic that I find most useful when tackling cities such as Bristol, Birmingham, Leicester (try there for a real challenge) when they become unavoidable, even Gloucester and Cheltenham can be interesting.
Not had the need to drive through Salisbury for a couple of years, usually use the park and ride at Wilton for visits there.
 
After picking up 9 points in the space of two weeks (on a previously clean for 20 years license), on the same camera on the M62 variable speed limit stretch, I now drive like an octogenarian granny!! Six of the points expired early July with the other three expiring early November, then obviously I need to wait another 12 months on each for them to officially come off my license...
Careful - we know THREE octogenarian grannies and I wouldn't want to be in the car with any of them,.
At least, not without sedation.
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The business about modern cars being a computer on wheels is dead right. Just over two years ago I bought a Nissan Qashqai. Nice car in many ways, good mileage and easy and comfortable to drive.

But.

It's been back to the main dealer twice already and I have an appointment in a couple of weeks for a third.

This time it's the telephony module of the NissanConnect operating system. As soon as I start the car, the dash lights up claiming that there is an incoming call from some geezer called Steve Maskery. I can't answer the call, because it is phantom, and if I reject the call, it lights up again after just a couple of seconds. I cannot access any of the menus in the system, I can't make or receive telephone calls and the voice operation of the SatNav doesn't work either.

The fix is straightforward enough, the software needs updating. It's a known bug, with a fix. But the car was serviced just a very few weeks ago, so why they didn't do it then, I don’t know. But every visit to the dealer is a morning or an afternoon lost.

I'm not impressed, TBH.
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I commute Alnwick to Kendal fairly regularly and picked up three points recently on that awful A69 single carriageway (with passing lanes to get around H.G.V.'s) between Haltwhistle and Hexham. One of those "average speed" johnnies.
Result? Doing the course to avoid the points, but...not wanting to get nobbled again, I now rigorously use Croose Kontrol....amazing! I actually enjoy the run now! It's relaxing, I get time to think and contemplate. Don't under-rate c.c. - and the speed limits are there for a purpose!
 
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