• Hi all and welcome to TheWoodHaven2 brought into the 21st Century, kicking and screaming! We all have Alasdair to thank for the vast bulk of the heavy lifting to get us here, no more so than me because he's taken away a huge burden of responsibility from my shoulders and brought us to this new shiny home, with all your previous content (hopefully) still intact! Please peruse and feed back. There is still plenty to do, like changing the colour scheme, adding the banner graphic, tweaking the odd setting here and there so I have added a new thread in the 'Technical Issues, Bugs and Feature Requests' forum for you to add any issues you find, any missing settings or just anything you'd like to see added/removed from the feature set that Xenforo offers. We will get to everything over the coming weeks so please be patient, but add anything at all to the thread I mention above and we promise to get to them over the next few days/weeks/months. In the meantime, please enjoy!

New Forum bugs/feature requests/dislikes etc

I think the menu structure could do with some tweaks.

The top level Forums heading doesn't lead to the list of forums - they are under Home instead.
 
A very minor point - the old BBcode for smilies doesn't all map to new ones. So old posts can show a mix of odd punctuation marks.
 
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A very minor point - the old BBcode for smilies doesn't all map to new ones. So old posts can show a mix of odd punctuation marks.
thank you - on the list - the standard smilies are automatic, any which were added extra to the phpbb3 forum need to be added manually here… once they are the text will update on next page reload…
 
Is there still a Preview button when posting?
yes - little icon top right of the reply box, but as the editor is wysiwyg it may not always seem different
 
I think the menu structure could do with some tweaks.

The top level Forums heading doesn't lead to the list of forums - they are under Home instead.
?! they both give a list of the forums if you click on them, what are you seeing?
 
I got the same. I think it's because my old bookmark was pointing at the "current topics" list on the old software. Try making a new bookmark pointing to "new posts".
yes - the system has built in that if you go to any random URL (e.g. woodhaven2.co.uk/sharpening-the-debate) it doesn't at that point look for the URL and say that it doesn't exist, it first checks if you are logged in... as you are not, it takes you to the log in page but remembers what you were looking for to find post login... having logged in it then can't find the url so gives an error... as above - just re-bookmark!
 
?! they both give a list of the forums if you click on them, what are you seeing?

Home menu gives this list of forums

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and

Forums menu gives this

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which is not the best if looking for a different forum to start a thread.
 
Ahh - that is simply that forums has a sub-menu - if you click on the word forums rather than the arrow - it gives the same as clicking on the word home... At no point does an actual list of forums appear in the menu itself...
 
I'm afraid it doesn't, and Im on Windows 10 too.
@MikeG
I've now tried this on 3 different win 10 pcs and 3 different browsers and ALT (held down) and up arrow always takes me to the top of a page.
Further more another method is to start to raise the right hand scroll bar and a buttom with an up arrow appearsbottom left for about 3 seconds. click on that and you go to the top of the page.
Smart phone users can just touch the top of the screen for instant scroll to the top
 
Alt up arrow doesn't work for me either (win 10 + Firefox). I just use the links at the top of the browser page to move on.
 
This isnt going to help anyone. Due to offspring pinching my mac keyboard I am using a logitech french keyboard on the iMac. Hitting the Debut keywith what looks like a back tab symbol takes me to the top of page😲
 
yes - the system has built in that if you go to any random URL (e.g. woodhaven2.co.uk/sharpening-the-debate) it doesn't at that point look for the URL and say that it doesn't exist, it first checks if you are logged in... as you are not, it takes you to the log in page but remembers what you were looking for to find post login... having logged in it then can't find the url so gives an error... as above - just re-bookmark!
 
I hope this hasn’t been answered already and if so, sorry. Am I able to ask for a daily email with the previous day’s posts/activity?
 
I hope this hasn’t been answered already and if so, sorry. Am I able to ask for a daily email with the previous day’s posts/activity?
I know there is a digest option but I think the default is that it is sent to those who haven’t been on the forum for a while to encourage them back… I will have a look at how it works - in particular if we do find a solution it would have to something you could choose to turn on as not everyone would want it…
 
Alt up arrow doesn't work for me either (win 10 + Firefox). I just use the links at the top of the browser page to move on.

The Tab Key takes me to the next available Tabed function,
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The Home Key takes me to the top of the current page (Highlights Home)

The End Key takes me to the bottom of the current page.Home.jpg

Windows 10.
 
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I see it's now login to read, I'm not fussed but someone on UKW ain't too impressed on joining something he can't browse beforehand .
Should we be lowering our prices ? .....🤔😉😄
Cheers, Andy
 
I see it's now login to read, I'm not fussed but someone on UKW ain't too impressed on joining something he can't browse beforehand .
Should we be lowering our prices ? .....🤔😉😄
Cheers, Andy
That is simply the default settings - as guest you can see the structure and activity but not the contents for which you have to sign up…

It is an interesting philosophical question - if someone wants to read / consume the content but not sign in - presumably they simply want to take not contribute, not very community focused…
 
That is simply the default settings - as guest you can see the structure and activity but not the contents for which you have to sign up…

It is an interesting philosophical question - if someone wants to read / consume the content but not sign in - presumably they simply want to take not contribute, not very community focused…
Could I suggest a compromise - make the written content openly visible but require an account to show pictures.
 
Could I suggest a compromise - make the written content openly visible but require an account to show pictures.
There is an option to say don’t show attachments however it doesn’t quite seem to work like that - it shows photos as thumbnails and asks you to log in to see the full version if you click on it… even where a full image was embedded in a post it is reduced to a thumbnail when you are not logged in - but it doesn’t remove them…

Does seem a good compromise - will see what others think…
 
Now set to that - guests can see all content but photos are only small… log in to see full size images…
 
I see it's now login to read, I'm not fussed but someone on UKW ain't too impressed on joining something he can't browse beforehand .
Should we be lowering our prices ? .....🤔😉😄
Cheers, Andy
I’m afraid I can’t get too excited by that. If someone’s willing to write something off…actually, no I won’t bother. It’s changed so if said person wants to have a look they can, if they don’t then I won’t be losing any sleep.
 
The MIG welding forum has a few specific sub-forums that are only visible to members (if memory serves me correctly, it's the "For Sale" section, the "Introductions" page (for new members to say hi) and a specific (semi-) "Private Forum" for people who want to post stuff without it being accessible to google and co.

That seemed like a relatively sensible idea to me.
 
The MIG welding forum has a few specific sub-forums that are only visible to members (if memory serves me correctly, it's the "For Sale" section, the "Introductions" page (for new members to say hi) and a specific (semi-) "Private Forum" for people who want to post stuff without it being accessible to google and co.

That seemed like a relatively sensible idea to me.
The for sale forum on here is only viewable by those logged in…
 
There is a balance when trying to attract potential contributors and keeping the curtains drawn to minimize giving everything away. When photography was my main hobby, I was a member of several photography discussion boards. Many members across the spectrum raved about the content of a Nikon-specific board, which interested me since I used Nikon equipment. When I visited the site, there was virtually nothing to see aside from a few forums. I didn't understand the interest in the site.

A year or so later, I joined the site and was able to access the rest of the forums that were hidden from guests. The site was created by two people who got tired of the negative antics on DPReview and decided to create a Nikon website. Initially, the site was not public and access was by invitation only. Later, the owners partially lifted the veils, but membership was low.

Little did I realize at the time that I would eventually become a Moderator, then Administrator, of the discussion board. Later, after it became too much of a time and financial burden for the owner to maintain, I became the owner of the domain and assumed full responsibility for site. The first action as the new owner was to remove the viewing restrictions for all but a few forums and begin planning the migration to a new server and XenForo platform. Membership increased over the next year, with about two-thirds becoming active contributors. In 2017, I sold the site and a few years later it was sold again. I am happy that the site is still active today and growing. I think visibility was a determining factor in the growth.
 
Now set to that - guests can see all content but photos are only small… log in to see full size images…
Alasdair, is there an optimum pixel (or Byte) size for images for the software to handle, for instance my keyboard images above have been expanded to full page (on my system anyway) is this the case regardless of source? it seems unnecessary in your face for such in this instance.

Is there an option in the settings for a slightly smaller (framed image) that will expand on selection (halfway house between attachment and full image)
 
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This for instance is the display on another forum using the same software.
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Alasdair, is there an optimum pixel (or Byte) size for images for the software to handle, for instance my keyboard images above have been expanded to full page (on my system anyway) is this the case regardless of source? it seems unnecessary in your face for such in this instance.

Is there an option in the settings for a slightly smaller (framed image) that will expand on selection (halfway house between attachment and full image)
yes, been thinking that and will look into it… it may be as simple as a css line in the code
 
Don't know if it was the result of site transfer to new platform but noticed a You Tube link that was no longer live in old thread.

See this Post
 
Like Mike I have had the dubious pleasure of administering a XenForo forum. It was a motorcycle club that was a training club for the IAM and RoSPA as well as a social club. A conscious decision was made by the Committee to restrict viewing of the forum to the 600 or so members only as the consensus was that if people did not wish to join the club itself, there was no reason why they should see exchanges between members. Obviously there was far more to it than just a web presence. Maybe we are a bit different. However, I for one would be willing to subscribe modestly in order to relieve the financial burden on Mark and the other mods. There is no real reason why people who are not willing to participate actively should be able to see what goes on I suppose.
 
Don't know if it was the result of site transfer to new platform but noticed a You Tube link that was no longer live in old thread.

See this Post
thank you, happy to look if you know where it is - send me a pm…
 
Like Mike I have had the dubious pleasure of administering a XenForo forum. It was a motorcycle club that was a training club for the IAM and RoSPA as well as a social club. A conscious decision was made by the Committee to restrict viewing of the forum to the 600 or so members only as the consensus was that if people did not wish to join the club itself, there was no reason why they should see exchanges between members. Obviously there was far more to it than just a web presence. Maybe we are a bit different. However, I for one would be willing to subscribe modestly in order to relieve the financial burden on Mark and the other mods. There is no real reason why people who are not willing to participate actively should be able to see what goes on I suppose.
thanks - interesting to hear… I think it makes sense in that environment where you know all the possible members and a lot of the discussion may be private, but our potential market is anyone worldwide and we are talking about public topics so I wouldn’t be bothered about locking down for confidentiality reasons… the only thinking is that ideally a forum wants to encourage people to join in, so the structured should focus on not putting people off, but equally encouraging them to sign up and join in…
 
Edit: Alaisdair's post arrived as I was typing, so I posted, then saw his.

"A conscious decision was made by the Committee to restrict viewing of the forum to the 600 or so members only as the consensus was that if people did not wish to join the club itself, there was no reason why they should see exchanges between members."

"There is no real reason why people who are not willing to participate actively should be able to see what goes on I suppose."

Adrian, with the greatest respect, I disagree. The content being visible is what will attract folk to view, then participate. If I understand your proposal correctly (and I would like clarification please, if I haven't) is that you want a 'closed shop'.

Moreover (again, if I have misinterpreted, please clarify) you wish to establish a "pay to view" forum?

"However, I for one would be willing to subscribe modestly in order to relieve the financial burden on Mark and the other mods. "

I would put it to you that this is a separate issue from being able to read the forum postings. I, for one, have a distinct memory of this 'contributary help' coming up in the past, but I cannot recall its outcome. I have not the slightest objection to a financial contribution; but it is a tricky issue as not all of us have the same financial security - if at all.


You finally re-iterate that:

"There is no real reason why people who are not willing to participate actively should be able to see what goes on I suppose."
I repeat: 'How will they know, what is going on behind the walls of a closed shop; what is going on with in it?' How will they be aware that content - attractive to their lifestyle - is there?

I cannot know what motivated the Committee of your erstwhile biking forum to act as they did, but my inclination is, your proposals go against the ethos originated by Tom and revived by Mark.
 
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^^ No & No. Was merely drawing a comparison. Workload for admins on a globally open forum is not trivial. Made no suggestion of pay per view. Just said I was willing to contribute. Many forums are run by owner with a view to sale and so max hits is helpful. Not the case here.
 
good discussion - for the bike forum I totally understand - think of it as a private club, good to understand other models but not the right model for here…

regarding finances I read Adrian’s comment as being supportive of sharing any cost rather than locking down the forum to only paid subscribers!, not the plan to make this a paid for forum - the reasons for the move were partly the software update, but also to take some load off Mark and to move it to my hosting which is much cheaper as I have reseller hosting for my business, so cost is hopefully less of an issue going forward…
 
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